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FFS, why don't the Yanks or the Chinese just hand over the evidence they have as to where the plane finally went in????? One of these nations knows where it went in. When the Governments of today have the technology to detect a skidmark in your underpants as they hang on the washing line, or they can hear the sound of two ants humping from 10,000 metres I don't believe for millisecond that someone doesn't know where it is.

Bollocks

Gold..pure gold Gobbles!   There is so much that various DIPs in their official capacity are not telling us, makes you wonder what is so bad that they are now all tarnished by association with the Malaysian Government's blatant obfuscation/cover-up of the tragic disappearance of MH370???

Moving on to a bit more local coverage of yesterday's Tripartite meeting.

From the OZ:

Searchers still sure they’ll locate flight MH370 debris  


April 17, 2015 12:00AM

Steve Creedy

Aviation Editor
Sydney




A ship’s crew work into the night to prepare a Dragon Prince seabed sonar towfish in the search for evidence of MH370. Source: Supplied
 
International and Australian experts are still convinced the remains of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 are on the seabed in the Indian Ocean off Western Australia, despite contingency plans to double the search area.  

A meeting in Kuala Lumpur of transport ministers from Aust­ralia, China and Malaysia yesterday signed off on a plan to search a ­further 60,000sq km if the search of the current 60,000sq km high priority area fails to locate any ­debris by the time it ends late next month or in early June.

The additional search area is a high probability zone and it is understood experts believe there is a 95 per cent chance the plane is located somewhere in the 120,000sq km.

“The experts are so confident that we’re searching in the right place that they don’t countenance that there’s any other possibilities really,’’ Deputy Prime Minister Warren Truss told The Australian yesterday. “And they keep re­doing the work and keep coming up with the same answers.’’

The search has been under way in the southern Indian Ocean off Western Australia since last year and the four vessels now involved had earlier this week covered about 61 per cent of the search area.

While the strip of seabed near to the so-called seventh arc was considered the area most likely to contain the wreckage, the variability in the analyses used to reach this conclusion means it could be outside this area.

The analysis was done by an international team of specialists who independently cross-checked the methodology but also worked collaboratively. They were drawn from air safety investigation organisations from Britain, the US and Malaysia, as well as Inmarsat, Thales, Boeing and Australia’s Defence Science and Technology Organisation.

The complex analyses of the handshakes, or communication pings, between the plane and an Inmarsat geostationary satellite was combined with assumptions about where the plane turned and how the Boeing 777-200ER kept flying until its fuel was exhausted.
The handshakes allowed scientists to initially calculate how far the plane was from the satellite when the contact was made; the characteristics of the B777 allowed them to stipulate where on the circle defined by that radius the plane was capable of reaching. This produced two arcs, one to the north and one to the south.

More complex analyses using Doppler shift, where frequency increases when two objects are moving towards each other but decreases when they are moving away, pointed to the southern arc in the Indian Ocean off the coast of Western Australia.

A problem for the searchers included the fact that the analyses generated thousands of possible tracks across a broad area.

The consensus was the highest priority search area extended along the arc for 650km with a width of 93km. The search area of 60,000sq km compared with 17,000sq km for the downed Air France flight 447, which ­squawked information as it hit problems but still took almost two years to find.

Mr Truss said suggestions that the aircraft had been seen in the Maldives were not credible and it was likely the reports involved a different aircraft.

“There are a million other ­stories about secretly landing in Russia or somewhere, but none of that has got any credibility,’’ he said. “The expert panels all around the world are so convinced that the satellite connections and ­seventh arc is where it is, they’re talking about basically zero per cent options for anything else.’’

Asked about the lack of debris from MH370 in the search area, Mr Truss said searchers in the Air France case had not found any surface debris 10 days after the crash, while the search near the seventh arc only started on the 11th day.

“So in reality, from the Air France experience, it would have all sunk to the bottom by the time we started the search,’’ he said.

The Kuala Lumpur meeting of Mr Truss, Malaysian Transport Minister Liow Tiong Lai and Chinese Transport Minister Yang Chuantang also agreed to set the groundwork for a recovery operation if the plane was found.

Australia has already identified potential suppliers for the sophisticated underwater robotic equipment that would be needed and Mr Truss said an operation could be in place within a couple of months.

Hmm...old Wazza seemed quite upbeat?? His minders obviously went to a great deal of effort to see that he was so well briefed that he couldn't drift into one of his usual vagaries & off message - examples....

..“The experts are so confident that we’re searching in the right place that they don’t countenance that there’s any other possibilities really,’’ Deputy Prime Minister Warren Truss told The Australian yesterday. “And they keep re­doing the work and keep coming up with the same answers.’’..

..."There are a million other ­stories about secretly landing in Russia or somewhere, but none of that has got any credibility,’’ he said. “The expert panels all around the world are so convinced that the satellite connections and ­seventh arc is where it is, they’re talking about basically zero per cent options for anything else.’’...

...“So in reality, from the Air France experience, it would have all sunk to the bottom by the time we started the search,’’ he said...

      
Q/ Wonder if the so-called experts.. .. will be taking a look at Bobby Urlich's latest -  Addendum #4 ~ Contrail Data/New Route Fit - when considering the extended search parameters?? At least Bobby's new route theory gives a true starting point for the turn south towards the SIO. Probably bears expert examination on that basis alone. 

I also see that David Learmount is under the impression that the next phase (i.e. the additional 60,000 sqkm) will incorporate his favoured expert calculation, that of Captain Simon Hardy:

The last chance to find MH370?
By David Learmount on 16 April, 2015

In its just-released message saying that they are extending the MH370 search area, the Malaysian, Australian and Chinese authorities have not been specific about the precise geographical parameters of the extension.

But it looks as if the search will finally begin to encompass the area just beyond the south-western end of the Seventh Arc published search area, which is where Capt Simon Hardy’s mathematical calculations (published in December 2014 by Flightglobal) suggest it is most likely to be found.

This is a positive development, because Hardy’s calculations are by far the most plausible argument for the location of the lost aircraft. Nobody, including the Australian Transport Safety Bureau which is leading the search operation, has challenged the mathematical integrity of his calculations in the four months since publication.

In other words, if we are ever going to locate the missing Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777, this is where we should be looking. If it is not there – and it might not be – there is a case for giving up the search.

The calculations, including those of the ATSB and of Hardy himself, have had to start with some assumptions. If the assumptions are wrong, so is the search area.

But absolutely nowhere else is indicated. Not by data it isn’t.

The ATSB says the search will have to be abandoned during the southern hemisphere winter, which gives the ships at least another month of useful work.

If, by that time, the aircraft has not been located, the search will resume again when the weather recovers, and the ATSB says it will continue searching until the “highest probability area” has been entirely covered.

There is no money for a search directed according to conspiracy theories or “what if” scenarios.  

MTF...P2