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MH370 - 'On the buses'.

MH370: report not for Australia to reveal says Malcolm Turnbull

MH370: Australia kept Malaysia's face saving secret that pilot chief suspect

Ok next in the Oz today the diplomatic duck shoving & obfuscation continues:

 PM’s hands bound on MH370 search secrets

South East Asia correspondent
Jakarta
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Ahh yes the old: "..we're sworn to secrecy, bound by international conventions, agreements and the independent principles of ICAO Annex 13 (& now 19)..."

Strange how Malcolm & the Murky Mandarin's minions revert to that kind of rhetoric only when it suits, because in reality Australia is that far removed from being anywhere near conforming to the ICAO Annexures (in excess of 3000 notified differences) that for a supposedly 1st world aviation nation we're a monumental disgrace (e.g. See - here - for the 10 pages of notified differences to Annex 13). Shame on you Malcolm for you now own this..

Latest from the MH370 'bus stop' wars. - The 'PLOT THICKENS'

 Again from Amanda Hodge , via the Oz:

Australian officials warned families of MH370 data leak from FBI

New York magazine cited a leaked FBI report which supported the idea of pilot suicide on flight MH370.

• Amanda Hodge
  
• The Australian
  
• 12:00AM July 27, 2016
  

South East Asia correspondent
Jakarta
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The FBI has refused to reveal details of a report purportedly showing that the pilot of missing Malaysia Airlines plane MH370 tracked a similar path on a home flight simulator to that taken by the ill-fated aircraft less than a month later, and has referred all questions to Malaysian authorities.

However a spokeswoman for families of MH370 victims has told The Australian the group was warned by Australian officials from the Australian Transport Safety Bureau and the Joint Action Co-ordinating Committee last week that FBI data potentially furthering the theory of pilot suicide was to be published by New York magazine last weekend.

An FBI spokeswoman told The Australian: “The FBI did not publicly release information on the flight, therefore we cannot comment on it. I refer you to the Malaysian authorities for specific questions about the case.”

She had been asked if the FBI had passed on to the Australian Federal Police or other Australian agencies the information it extracted from Malaysia Airlines captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah’s home flight simulator.

Grace Nathan, from next-of-kin group Voice 370, said she and other families met officials from the ATSB and JACC before and after last Friday’s meeting of Australian, Malaysian and Chinese transport ministers that agreed to soon suspend the search.

“We were already told that the article was coming out by JACC and ATSB, who were here for a meeting last Friday,” said Ms Nathan, who lost her mother on the March 2014 flight, which disappeared with 239 people aboard.

“They told us that an independent group had been given the (Zaharie simulator) data by the FBI, so most of us were not surprised when the news came out.”

The New York article cited a leaked FBI report showing Zaharie had used a simulator less than a month before the aircraft’s disappearance to practise a flight across the southern Indian Ocean closely matching MH370’s route.

Ms Nathan said: “I was told by the JACC that the information was provided by the FBI. They work closely with independent groups and said FBI provided information to independent groups who decided they wanted to publish it in New York magazine.”

New York, however, says the FBI findings from the home simulator were returned to Malaysia and someone from Malaysian Police leaked them.

The ATSB in a statement this week acknowledged the FBI data but said it showed “only the possibility of planning. It does not reveal what happened on the night of its disappearance, nor where the aircraft is landed”.

New Zealand-based physicist Duncan Steel, from the so-called Independent Group of investigators into MH370’s disappearance which argues the search has been in the wrong area, denied any of his members had received FBI data or leaked it onwards.

He told The Australian in an email exchange that the Independent Group had no input into the story, nor had it seen the leaked information. “So far as I am aware, the information was given to the writer of the story in NY magazine by a third party in absolute confidence. I am not at liberty to identify the third party (not a Malaysian, nor anybody living in Malaysia or the USA) who originally obtained the leaked information,” Mr Steel wrote.

In a later email, he said information from Captain Zaharie’s home simulator was “quite likely irrelevant and cannot be taken to be evidence of any actual intent to fly such a path” given the route positions were consistent with one terminating at an airfield in Antarctica’s McMurdo Sound.

“It is easy to imagine that an experienced airline captain, bored with flying to the same old places, might like to consider more exotic destinations,” he wrote.

Ms Nathan said she too was sceptical about the theory of pilot suicide. “I keep my mind open and still think anything is possible and if there is merit to (the theory) and it is supported by evidence we need to be open to that.

“Right now it is just another conspiracy theory in a long line of them. But it still throws you for a loop. An accident is one thing but to find out it might have been a homicide or suicide is another.”

The way this latest argy, bargy, shameful and invective rhetoric is going, I may have to start a chronological list of who said what - i.e. a 'he said, she said' shit-list - because I am starting to see a pattern of potential dots & dashes that desperately need to be joined.

As an example taking the Ms Nathan statement from the above Oz article:

“We were already told that the article was coming out by JACC and ATSB, who were here for a meeting last Friday,” said Ms Nathan, who lost her mother on the March 2014 flight, which disappeared with 239 people aboard.


“They told us that an independent group had been given the (Zaharie simulator) data by the FBI, so most of us were not surprised when the news came out.”

Which kind of gels with this quote from the latest ATSB 'Correcting the Bollocks' weasel words:

The ATSB has met, on a number of occasions, with the family and friends of MH370 passengers and crew, both in Australia and in Malaysia. Of further concern to the ATSB is the intense personal impact that claims such as Mr Bailey’s has on those who are suffering as a result of this tragedy.

 
However you would have thought there would have been mention of the JACC/ATSB meeting with the NOK, in the 'correcting the bollocks' statement. That information from Ms Nathan also makes the 'intense personal impact' on the NOK of Bailey's Monday OP piece, quite frankly, and absolute joke because they had already received a head's up that the story was going to break...  This perhaps highlights why is very unwise for a supposedly fully independent Annex 13 State AAI to be partaking in quid, pro, quo rhetoric with a devoted webpage like the ATSB 'correcting the bollocks' page. I don't believe the NTSB or the Canadian TSB see the need for such a page, so why do we??
The following is a couple of PAIN member comments on this latest farcical charade with the MH370 tragedy:

ventus45:[/url]Personally, I think the only way that this can ever be solved, is if the relatives of the 6 Australian Passengers demand that the States Involved, hold Coronial Inquests, which "force" the responsible officers of the Commonwealth Agencies involved, and both the Ministers and the 2 Prime Ministers involved, to give evidence "under oath", and if they lie, or refuse to do so, for "Annex 13", or "National Security" reasons, that they be imprisoned, until after the wreckage is found, in other words, for life.

The fact that our government has decided to condone what is clearly the murder of 6 citizens is beyond the pail.

Canberra has become a stinking cesspool.

The bullshit must stop, regardless of who gets "embarrassed".

&..

[url=http://auntypru.com/forum/-Less-Noise-and-More-Signal?pid=4789#pid4789]BugsyM: So this wild goose chase search into the SIO wasn't just based on the Inmarsat data....they have been withholding information that was supposedly on Shah's flight Sim. He probably had 100's of paths and landing strips on that thing, but because they don't want this plane found, they will use that one flight path that supposedly goes to the SIO and say he did it. What a crock of shit!!!

The whole cock-up has been a cover up from the start, in order to keep what really happened a secret, which was most likely a true hijacking or an accident to do with illegal cargo (ie: the lithium batteries over the limit).

The people making money off this tragedy should hang their heads in shame, its disgusting and wrong. Lying and falsifying documents to prove your theory is just wrong.

If Malaysia had this info and let the public speculate and create conspiracy theories that only helped confuse the world, its exactly what they want to the world to do.

Yes I am starting to think this whole stinking cesspool of lies & deceit definitely needs to go before at least a Senate Inquiry, I can think of a dozen or more very concerned & intelligent international MH370 followers who would be more than happy to make submissions and maybe even appear to give evidence to such an Inquiry...


MTF...P2