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More Beaker Bullocks..

Continuing from off the Senate Estimates thread it would seem we have yet another ATSBeaker aberration that was nicely intercepted by Farmer Joe... :

As for your first post Farmer Joe...


"..But in all the probity questioning from AsA's special attendance 2 weeks ago, NX asked about a LAHSO incident at Melbourne Airport in early July.

Mr Hood replied that it was a serious incident and ATSB was investigating.

Yet a perusal of the ATSB list of investigations on their website shows no such incident.

Didn't this website (?P2) a while ago question whether ATSB was really investigating all incidents submitted by AsA?.."

 ..I think we should take that observation - & it's obvious implications - to the SMH thread under my last post relevant to this query of yours.

To begin - for your benefit FJ - here is an extract from the last ASA special attendance hearing on that 5th July LAHSO incident: 

Senator XENOPHON: I want to take a couple of minutes because this is a safety issue I am really worried about and I think it falls directly within your bailiwick.

CHAIR: Keep going. You have two more minutes. Quick.

Senator XENOPHON: LAHSO, the land and hold short operations, is not allowed in the US but is allowed at Melbourne airport because you have capacity constraints there. Is that right?

Mr Harfield : LAHSO would be used whether there were capacity constraints or not. It is a runway configuration mode, an operation mode—

Senator XENOPHON: I have only got a minute. I have had previous correspondence with Airservices and corrections were made by Ms Staib on 2 July about clarification. There were some inaccuracies given in evidence—Mr Hood, I am not having a go at you, but they had to be clarified. Is that right?

Mr Hood : That is correct.

Senator XENOPHON: Mr Hood, are you aware of what happened at Melbourne airport around 6.15pm on Sunday, 5 July?

Mr Hood : Yes, I am. There was a double go-around on runway 2-7 and 3-4.

Senator XENOPHON: It was a close call, wasn't it?

Mr Hood : It was a double go-around, and the ATSB are investigating that—

Senator XENOPHON: It is pretty serious incident.

Mr Hood : It is a serious incident.

CHAIR: What was the separation?

Mr Hood : Visual separation—and that is in that circumstance when you have a double go-around both in sight of the tower. Both aircraft were alerted to the position of the other.

Senator XENOPHON: So, three days after I get a letter clarifying some issues on LAHSOs, we have a very close call.

Mr Hood : We have a double go-around.

Senator XENOPHON: Double go-arounds are pretty bad, aren't they?

Mr Hood : Certainly. Not something I like to see.

Senator XENOPHON: How close were the two aircraft?

Mr Hood : I would have to take that on notice. I have the—

Senator XENOPHON: How many seconds away were they away from a collision in terms of the separation?

Mr Hood : I am not sure they were headed towards a collision at all, but the ATSB will verify the facts

Okay next FJ asked...

"..Didn't this website (?P2) a while ago question whether ATSB was really investigating all incidents submitted by AsA?.."

Yes I did and not only here but on the UP more than 2 years ago - ASA does it again - 2011 OOL near miss investigation released :

..Gentle_flyer, Jack and co I suggest that you crosscheck for any known BOS/LOSA occurrences that have been reported by responsible controllers to the ATSB but not investigated in the weekly summary page, see here: Aviation weekly summaries

Presumably controllers would have kept a record of the date etc when they submitted the AAIN so you should be able to narrow down the search.

If after conducting such a search there is still no record showing of the controller's incident report...well then "Houston we have a problem"!

 
Alright so to the apparently (Hoody & NX) officially reported (ATSB) 'serious incident', that FJ can't seem to find??

First here is a link for the relevant occurrence date page of the bureau website - Page2 - hmm...nope no record.

Okay next let's search the 'ATSB National Aviation Occurrence Database', where you'll see there is a number of ways to narrow down your search (categories/dates/etc). However I'll just pick Melbourne airport for two months from first of June 2015 - see here. This gives me four entries, none of which matches our date, nor are any of them by definition 'serious incidents' and therefore required to be investigated. 

Thereafter I tried several other search combinations just to be sure, but unless I'm severely stuffing it up or dyslexic, I don't believe this 'serious incident' (by anyone's definition - including Beaker's) has been officially recorded or being investigated by the ATSB - again Houston, Skidmore, Boyd, Truss & Co we have a major problem...tick..tick..tick



MTF...P2