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			<description><![CDATA[<span style="color: #0074D9;" class="mycode_color">P2 comment - Posted on behalf of P9 who was all thumbs and seven fingers when it came to initiating this new Forum</span> -  <img src="https://auntypru.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" alt="Rolleyes" title="Rolleyes" class="smilie smilie_6" /> <br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b"><a href="https://auntypru.com/forum/-%E2%80%9CFor-want-of-a-nail-the-shoe-was-lost-%E2%80%9D?pid=13185#pid13185" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">“For want of a nail the shoe was lost.”</a></span><br />
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<span style="color: #C14700;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">“It's a dangerous business, Frodo, going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no knowing where you might be swept off to.” </span></span><br />
<br />
All day, every day, across this planet people travel; and, in one form or another, they use publicly available transportation. Bus, train, ferry, aircraft - all available for the cost of a ticket. Included within the price of that ticket is a high percentage chance that they will arrive at their destination. While that 'safe arrival' is not 100% guaranteed, mostly it is a very, very safe bet. Ever wonder why. If you ask around, you will receive many different answers, but only those involved in providing that transport know how much work and money and research and training (blood, sweat and tears) has gone into providing that singular service safe result. The real answer is in one word 'Reliability'.  <br />
<br />
<span style="color: #C14700;" class="mycode_color">(Technology reliability) x (Human reliability) = System reliability.</span><br />
<br />
Every mode of transport, from roller skates to space ships depends on system reliability to arrive at the destination in one piece. Many serious accidents have been the result of not only the failure of one element, but the events subsequent to that failure.<br />
<br />
<span style="color: #C14700;" class="mycode_color">“For want of a shoe the horse was lost.”</span><br />
<br />
Watching hours of Senate estimates is not a popular pastime; for example, when its my turn, I play it in the workshop and listen while I do something constructive; bit like the cricket on the radio. Mostly, the focus is on 'matters aeronautical' Canberra style, however as all methods of publicly available transport systems are all basically similar (in essence) almost any form of 'transport' event catches the attention; trucks, trains, boats and planes. Why, Well there is almost always a 'lesson' to be learned from every transport accident; and IMO they are, in principal at least, transportable. Human and system failures which lead to headlines. <br />
<br />
<span style="color: #C14700;" class="mycode_color">“For want of a horse the rider was lost”</span><br />
<br />
Once the 'headlines' are out there inevitably is an 'investigation and/or an 'inquiry' of some sort; aviation is famous for them (for some unknown reason). The investigation template in the aviation world mostly follows a well trodden pathway. When the return of that 'investigation' is serious; often some form of 'inquiry' is opened; and, that is when the 'fun' starts. The 'circuit breakers' are the first called in; they serve to protect the next level up the sheltered ladder of responsibility and are utterly disposable. If the powers that be persist with inquiry, the next layer in the protection racket is wheeled in and the dissembling and obfuscation begins in earnest – for they protect the ministerial appointment holders. They are wonderfully entertaining, masters of the  no accountability game; and, serve the 'system' very well and rewarded in kind. Which keeps everybody happy, except for the public who have forgotten and those left behind to wonder. Every aviation inquiry has, more or less, finished in the same manner, an instantly forgettable report which resolves very little. The top shelf defenders have learned where they are vulnerable to any hint of 'responsibility' and take the steps necessary to cover the gap. Bigger budget to generate more complex rules which relocate 'blame' and additional 'responsibility' to those outside the 'agency' while ensuring that in no way can 'they' ever be accountable or responsible. Its a game, played publicly, in the open and available on any Senate estimates 'you tube' session you care to sit through.<br />
<br />
<span style="color: #C14700;" class="mycode_color">“For want of a rider the message was lost”</span><br />
<br />
One of our crew stumbled on an Estimates session from the NSW division – related to the Sydney Harbour ferry system. Ships at sea and the men who manage the business are very closely related to those who manage aircraft. The parallels easily drawn; the legal responsibilities on par as are the penalties for any mismanagement. Two ships collide – the Masters are the people in the dock. However; the Skippers of ferries seem to have a problem that no aircraft pilot would tolerate. Should an aircraft have any form of 'control' problem (airborne or on the deck) there are back up systems and/ or alternate methods which may be used to ensure a safe return to land. Once on the ground, that aircraft would not move out of maintenance until the 'problem' had be 'properly' resolved; and, a report made; and, that report made available to the world wide fleet if the 'problem' was deemed systematic. But, it goes a little further; the aircraft would be 'Returned to Service' with a 'signature' of the person ultimately carrying the legally enforceable responsibility for the RTS. All documented and legally binding. The pilot scheduled to operate the aircraft signs a 'maintenance release' (again legally binding) fully aware of the repairs. It is an almost fool-proof system, with clearly defined lines of 'responsibility and accountability' all the way back to the CEO - ultimately. <br />
<br />
<span style="color: #C14700;" class="mycode_color">“For want of a message the battle was lost” </span><br />
<br />
Recently in the news (courtesy Matt O'Sullivan) the plight of the Masters of the Sydney ferry system has been brought to the attention of the public. Aunt Pru took an interest and we were off to the races. The first item of real interest was the closely guarded secret of just how many abnormal 'steering' events have actually occurred. (Give any pilot the screaming me-mi's). Once,  in any aircraft, would be enough. But not for the NSW government contractors; multiple loss of control events, the Masters (and the media) have forced the matter to the government attention - for action. We thought the antics of the aviation bureaucrats at Senate estimates were worthy of attention; but the NSW tribe beat the band, hands down. Below is a 'you tube' recording of the NSW estimates session. Click on at the <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">1 hour 56 second</span> mark and watch carefully. These guys make the Canberra lot look like honest upright citizens; boy, they're good. Circuit breakers popping all the way back to the Minister, although, happily, his ultimate get out gaol card is 'the contract'. <br />
<br />
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<br />
The NSW state government seem to have several 'real' matters of transport safety to deal with. There are rumbles from within the Unions of those who actually operate the state's transport network. Trains and busses all with 'safety' matters which, (pardon the expression) should a wheel come off can only lead to more expense and embarrassment associated with 'accident', particularly if people are harmed or killed. But the one, easily definable 'safety issue' matter is a stand out example; that of the ferries which operate on Sydney harbour. Multiple steering failures; rumours of dodgy welding: AMSA getting involved, then not. Big bucks at stake if OTSI join hands with ATSB (etc.) – and yet the resident evil within the steering system of these large, high speed, passenger carrying vessels cannot be sheeted home and guaranteed, certified as rectified. What is it now 10, 15 – 20? incidents of failure; yet revenue and political denial of responsibility or accountability shy away from responsibility or accountability - eschewing centre stage (in Spades).<br />
<br />
<span style="color: #C14700;" class="mycode_color">“For want of a battle the kingdom was lost”.</span><br />
<br />
So, a new forum has been demanded by the BRB; one open to all 'drivers' of machinery which carries the fare paying public. Those who should be able to expect an equivalent level of operational reliability from a ferry, train, or even a humble bus as they are guaranteed when travelling by air. Imagine a bus with a steering problem; causing an accident making headlines for more than a day - unlikely. Then imagine that 10 steering failure related accidents occurring in a short space of time – what then? Aye; you imagine correctly. Bus carries what, 50 people; a ferry can carry 400 – and has a track record of provable 'steering failures'. Think on..Someone has to make certain that the basic of safety – reliability – is maintained. Just don't look to the political system support crowd to accept responsibility, be accountable or, better yet,  get the problem sorted.<br />
<br />
Ramble over; but at the end of the shift, after the accident, when the knives come out, someone has to pay the freight. Last man standing is the driver, easy target, far removed from the machinations of 'deals' -  'contracts' and the zero responsibility/ accountability of the administration.<br />
<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">Toot toot.</span></blockquote>
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<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b"><span style="color: #C14700;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: medium;" class="mycode_size"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="mycode_font"><span style="font-size: x-small;" class="mycode_size">Arrgggh! - Victimology – from plagiarised victim to idiot in one one fell swoop – I will repay. <img src="https://auntypru.com/forum/images/smilies/confused.gif" alt="Confused" title="Confused" class="smilie smilie_13" /> </span></span></span></span></span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span style="color: #0074D9;" class="mycode_color">P2 comment - Posted on behalf of P9 who was all thumbs and seven fingers when it came to initiating this new Forum</span> -  <img src="https://auntypru.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" alt="Rolleyes" title="Rolleyes" class="smilie smilie_6" /> <br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b"><a href="https://auntypru.com/forum/-%E2%80%9CFor-want-of-a-nail-the-shoe-was-lost-%E2%80%9D?pid=13185#pid13185" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">“For want of a nail the shoe was lost.”</a></span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #C14700;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">“It's a dangerous business, Frodo, going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no knowing where you might be swept off to.” </span></span><br />
<br />
All day, every day, across this planet people travel; and, in one form or another, they use publicly available transportation. Bus, train, ferry, aircraft - all available for the cost of a ticket. Included within the price of that ticket is a high percentage chance that they will arrive at their destination. While that 'safe arrival' is not 100% guaranteed, mostly it is a very, very safe bet. Ever wonder why. If you ask around, you will receive many different answers, but only those involved in providing that transport know how much work and money and research and training (blood, sweat and tears) has gone into providing that singular service safe result. The real answer is in one word 'Reliability'.  <br />
<br />
<span style="color: #C14700;" class="mycode_color">(Technology reliability) x (Human reliability) = System reliability.</span><br />
<br />
Every mode of transport, from roller skates to space ships depends on system reliability to arrive at the destination in one piece. Many serious accidents have been the result of not only the failure of one element, but the events subsequent to that failure.<br />
<br />
<span style="color: #C14700;" class="mycode_color">“For want of a shoe the horse was lost.”</span><br />
<br />
Watching hours of Senate estimates is not a popular pastime; for example, when its my turn, I play it in the workshop and listen while I do something constructive; bit like the cricket on the radio. Mostly, the focus is on 'matters aeronautical' Canberra style, however as all methods of publicly available transport systems are all basically similar (in essence) almost any form of 'transport' event catches the attention; trucks, trains, boats and planes. Why, Well there is almost always a 'lesson' to be learned from every transport accident; and IMO they are, in principal at least, transportable. Human and system failures which lead to headlines. <br />
<br />
<span style="color: #C14700;" class="mycode_color">“For want of a horse the rider was lost”</span><br />
<br />
Once the 'headlines' are out there inevitably is an 'investigation and/or an 'inquiry' of some sort; aviation is famous for them (for some unknown reason). The investigation template in the aviation world mostly follows a well trodden pathway. When the return of that 'investigation' is serious; often some form of 'inquiry' is opened; and, that is when the 'fun' starts. The 'circuit breakers' are the first called in; they serve to protect the next level up the sheltered ladder of responsibility and are utterly disposable. If the powers that be persist with inquiry, the next layer in the protection racket is wheeled in and the dissembling and obfuscation begins in earnest – for they protect the ministerial appointment holders. They are wonderfully entertaining, masters of the  no accountability game; and, serve the 'system' very well and rewarded in kind. Which keeps everybody happy, except for the public who have forgotten and those left behind to wonder. Every aviation inquiry has, more or less, finished in the same manner, an instantly forgettable report which resolves very little. The top shelf defenders have learned where they are vulnerable to any hint of 'responsibility' and take the steps necessary to cover the gap. Bigger budget to generate more complex rules which relocate 'blame' and additional 'responsibility' to those outside the 'agency' while ensuring that in no way can 'they' ever be accountable or responsible. Its a game, played publicly, in the open and available on any Senate estimates 'you tube' session you care to sit through.<br />
<br />
<span style="color: #C14700;" class="mycode_color">“For want of a rider the message was lost”</span><br />
<br />
One of our crew stumbled on an Estimates session from the NSW division – related to the Sydney Harbour ferry system. Ships at sea and the men who manage the business are very closely related to those who manage aircraft. The parallels easily drawn; the legal responsibilities on par as are the penalties for any mismanagement. Two ships collide – the Masters are the people in the dock. However; the Skippers of ferries seem to have a problem that no aircraft pilot would tolerate. Should an aircraft have any form of 'control' problem (airborne or on the deck) there are back up systems and/ or alternate methods which may be used to ensure a safe return to land. Once on the ground, that aircraft would not move out of maintenance until the 'problem' had be 'properly' resolved; and, a report made; and, that report made available to the world wide fleet if the 'problem' was deemed systematic. But, it goes a little further; the aircraft would be 'Returned to Service' with a 'signature' of the person ultimately carrying the legally enforceable responsibility for the RTS. All documented and legally binding. The pilot scheduled to operate the aircraft signs a 'maintenance release' (again legally binding) fully aware of the repairs. It is an almost fool-proof system, with clearly defined lines of 'responsibility and accountability' all the way back to the CEO - ultimately. <br />
<br />
<span style="color: #C14700;" class="mycode_color">“For want of a message the battle was lost” </span><br />
<br />
Recently in the news (courtesy Matt O'Sullivan) the plight of the Masters of the Sydney ferry system has been brought to the attention of the public. Aunt Pru took an interest and we were off to the races. The first item of real interest was the closely guarded secret of just how many abnormal 'steering' events have actually occurred. (Give any pilot the screaming me-mi's). Once,  in any aircraft, would be enough. But not for the NSW government contractors; multiple loss of control events, the Masters (and the media) have forced the matter to the government attention - for action. We thought the antics of the aviation bureaucrats at Senate estimates were worthy of attention; but the NSW tribe beat the band, hands down. Below is a 'you tube' recording of the NSW estimates session. Click on at the <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">1 hour 56 second</span> mark and watch carefully. These guys make the Canberra lot look like honest upright citizens; boy, they're good. Circuit breakers popping all the way back to the Minister, although, happily, his ultimate get out gaol card is 'the contract'. <br />
<br />
<div class="bootbb-video-container" style="max-width:800px"><iframe width="800" height="450" src="//www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/6ZedRJB8YIU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="true"></iframe></div>
<br />
The NSW state government seem to have several 'real' matters of transport safety to deal with. There are rumbles from within the Unions of those who actually operate the state's transport network. Trains and busses all with 'safety' matters which, (pardon the expression) should a wheel come off can only lead to more expense and embarrassment associated with 'accident', particularly if people are harmed or killed. But the one, easily definable 'safety issue' matter is a stand out example; that of the ferries which operate on Sydney harbour. Multiple steering failures; rumours of dodgy welding: AMSA getting involved, then not. Big bucks at stake if OTSI join hands with ATSB (etc.) – and yet the resident evil within the steering system of these large, high speed, passenger carrying vessels cannot be sheeted home and guaranteed, certified as rectified. What is it now 10, 15 – 20? incidents of failure; yet revenue and political denial of responsibility or accountability shy away from responsibility or accountability - eschewing centre stage (in Spades).<br />
<br />
<span style="color: #C14700;" class="mycode_color">“For want of a battle the kingdom was lost”.</span><br />
<br />
So, a new forum has been demanded by the BRB; one open to all 'drivers' of machinery which carries the fare paying public. Those who should be able to expect an equivalent level of operational reliability from a ferry, train, or even a humble bus as they are guaranteed when travelling by air. Imagine a bus with a steering problem; causing an accident making headlines for more than a day - unlikely. Then imagine that 10 steering failure related accidents occurring in a short space of time – what then? Aye; you imagine correctly. Bus carries what, 50 people; a ferry can carry 400 – and has a track record of provable 'steering failures'. Think on..Someone has to make certain that the basic of safety – reliability – is maintained. Just don't look to the political system support crowd to accept responsibility, be accountable or, better yet,  get the problem sorted.<br />
<br />
Ramble over; but at the end of the shift, after the accident, when the knives come out, someone has to pay the freight. Last man standing is the driver, easy target, far removed from the machinations of 'deals' -  'contracts' and the zero responsibility/ accountability of the administration.<br />
<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">Toot toot.</span></blockquote>
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			<title><![CDATA[Shame or Fame for McCormack.]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2018 21:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">Shame or Fame for McCormack?</span><br />
 <br />
It seems only fair and reasonable that our latest ‘minister’ have his very own thread; Truss had one as did that Chester fellah. The consensus is we have all seen and heard enough from and about the current incumbent to warrant the effort. <br />
 <br />
P7 kicks the thread off - <br />
 <br />
<br />
<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite><span style="color: #3333ff;" class="mycode_color">This miniscule McCormack thing, masquerading as ‘Minister’ has left the building with his flies undone. Or, has got his boxers on ass about. Does anyone remember old mate Darren – he of the 7G’s who managed to so completely bugger himself up – aviation wise – that half the operating politicians dismissed him as irrelevant?</span><br />
<span style="color: #3333ff;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #3333ff;" class="mycode_color">Well, the little light has come on – 7G’s main advisor, a man with a foot in every camp, a hunter with the hounds and a runner with the Hares; the man who believes that through his ‘bureaucratic’ connections, he will be elected through the Victorian Nats; everybody's mate is now dear ol’ Mike 4G’s main man -. Considering how Darren 7D was totally buggered by the Campbell ‘in-put’ you have to wonder why McCormack has chosen the same vehicle to nonentity as his mate Dazza.</span><br />
<span style="color: #3333ff;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #3333ff;" class="mycode_color">Thing that really bothers me – is just how dumb is the DPM? It Turnbull falls of the cat – house trapeze then Mike 4G will actually be in charge – terrifying concept. A man with an IQ the same size as his jock strap being ‘advised’ by Darren’s both ends against the middle man. Maybe, - when 4G's is standing in the dole queue, wondering WTD happened; his little light bulb too will illuminate the pathway to sheer folly. </span><br />
<span style="color: #3333ff;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #3333ff;" class="mycode_color">“Yes Toots – set ‘em up again; I have a wonder of purblind stupidity to ponder”.</span></blockquote>
<br />
<br />
Have to agree; Darren 7G landed in the flames at Tamworth and never really recovered any credibility whatsoever. Many believe he was poorly advised throughout his happily short career as the man responsible for matters aeronautical. Chester, like Truss had the opportunity to star and become a legend in aviation circles. Yet he managed to not only avoid using the first class, free advice on how to do this, but preferred to opt for advice which only assisted the advisor to progress -  at Chester’s expense; but, Chester then managed to piss off the entire aviation community – well, those outside of the Canberra parasites who feed off it. <br />
<br />
<span style="color: #993366;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">“It is politics to please and hoodwink those<br />
</span></span><span style="color: #993366;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Who flatter but despise us.”</span></span><br />
 <br />
McCormack has been gifted some very sound advice; the foundations for resurrecting a dying industry were laid out; and, a way to make aviation a profitable industry employing many; and, returning revenue to government; and, recovering some national pride were offered. <br />
 <br />
What happens now is entirely in his hands – Fame or Shame awaits. <br />
 <br />
Toot – toot.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">Shame or Fame for McCormack?</span><br />
 <br />
It seems only fair and reasonable that our latest ‘minister’ have his very own thread; Truss had one as did that Chester fellah. The consensus is we have all seen and heard enough from and about the current incumbent to warrant the effort. <br />
 <br />
P7 kicks the thread off - <br />
 <br />
<br />
<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite><span style="color: #3333ff;" class="mycode_color">This miniscule McCormack thing, masquerading as ‘Minister’ has left the building with his flies undone. Or, has got his boxers on ass about. Does anyone remember old mate Darren – he of the 7G’s who managed to so completely bugger himself up – aviation wise – that half the operating politicians dismissed him as irrelevant?</span><br />
<span style="color: #3333ff;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #3333ff;" class="mycode_color">Well, the little light has come on – 7G’s main advisor, a man with a foot in every camp, a hunter with the hounds and a runner with the Hares; the man who believes that through his ‘bureaucratic’ connections, he will be elected through the Victorian Nats; everybody's mate is now dear ol’ Mike 4G’s main man -. Considering how Darren 7D was totally buggered by the Campbell ‘in-put’ you have to wonder why McCormack has chosen the same vehicle to nonentity as his mate Dazza.</span><br />
<span style="color: #3333ff;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #3333ff;" class="mycode_color">Thing that really bothers me – is just how dumb is the DPM? It Turnbull falls of the cat – house trapeze then Mike 4G will actually be in charge – terrifying concept. A man with an IQ the same size as his jock strap being ‘advised’ by Darren’s both ends against the middle man. Maybe, - when 4G's is standing in the dole queue, wondering WTD happened; his little light bulb too will illuminate the pathway to sheer folly. </span><br />
<span style="color: #3333ff;" class="mycode_color"> </span><br />
<span style="color: #3333ff;" class="mycode_color">“Yes Toots – set ‘em up again; I have a wonder of purblind stupidity to ponder”.</span></blockquote>
<br />
<br />
Have to agree; Darren 7G landed in the flames at Tamworth and never really recovered any credibility whatsoever. Many believe he was poorly advised throughout his happily short career as the man responsible for matters aeronautical. Chester, like Truss had the opportunity to star and become a legend in aviation circles. Yet he managed to not only avoid using the first class, free advice on how to do this, but preferred to opt for advice which only assisted the advisor to progress -  at Chester’s expense; but, Chester then managed to piss off the entire aviation community – well, those outside of the Canberra parasites who feed off it. <br />
<br />
<span style="color: #993366;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">“It is politics to please and hoodwink those<br />
</span></span><span style="color: #993366;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Who flatter but despise us.”</span></span><br />
 <br />
McCormack has been gifted some very sound advice; the foundations for resurrecting a dying industry were laid out; and, a way to make aviation a profitable industry employing many; and, returning revenue to government; and, recovering some national pride were offered. <br />
 <br />
What happens now is entirely in his hands – Fame or Shame awaits. <br />
 <br />
Toot – toot.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[The Carmody Hour.]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2016 07:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Start the clock GD; <br />
 <br />
So, we have DAS who declares “I’ll wear it” – but only for the ‘decisions’ he makes. Well ain’t that grand, in theory. Talk, as my Grand-pappy said, is cheap son, whisky cost money; real money, that’s as in cash and no bullshit”.  A credit rating is a thing earned, trust is another commodity which must be earned. We have ‘trusted’ two DAS now who turned out to be ‘cash poor’ and traded on ‘position’ for credit, rather than money in the ‘industry’ trust fund. <br />
 <br />
And so, we have a new DAS (ridiculous title), a solidly professional bureaucrat who has wandered into the IOS pub, fronting the bar and offering a round of drinks to the BRB. Good Oh; we’ll take the drinks, no worries and offer him Cheers, while we drink ‘em; but then – what? Well he must, metaphorically, sing for his supper. During that performance there will be some hard, cynical, weary eyes judging; and, they are ‘expert’ judges. Many ‘wannabe’s have graced the BRB stage, some blow hard, some soft, some jiggle most obligingly, some bluster, some boast, some even try their hand at prose: alas, few, very few ‘impress’.<br />
 <br />
And so, we have a new DAS, with one lightweight, exhibition bout at the Estimates cage fights, we can allow that, even appreciate the starting position. Let’s call it a friendly spar, to warm up the combatants and leave it at that; for there was little of any great substance to the amusements. <br />
 <br />
And so, we have a new DAS. But a real, reform oriented DAS; or, a caretaker? Positioned to make a dim, lacklustre minister look good and get the howling mob off his back. Even money on my tote. But I will, nonetheless run a tote on the Carmody innings.   <br />
 <br />
On the plus side. <br />
 <br />
<span style="color: #3333cc;" class="mycode_color">“Carmody also announced among others two new appointments at CASA: <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">Andrew Tiede as manager Air Navigation, Airspace and Aerodromes</span> and Mark Sullivan as Client Services Manager.”</span><br />
 <br />
Smart move. Considering the amount of detritus on the ASA back door step. Tiede seems to be the ‘real deal’ and would know where to find the skeletons – should the minister decide some were urgently needed – to keep the governments sorry arse out the sling. That aside, Tiede seems calm, competent and qualified; long may that last.<br />
 <br />
On the negative side:-<br />
 <br />
<span style="color: #ff3333;" class="mycode_color">"I will continue Mark Skidmore’s commitment to regularly meeting people and organisations across the aviation community to listen to ideas, issues and concerns.</span><br />
 <br />
Oh BOLLOCKS. Carmody trots off to see the Kickatinalong Aero Club, all six of ‘em. Wow; that’ll get to the truth – Skidmore thought they’d spill the beans and tell him their troubles. Fat lot of good that did – who, possessing a sound mind, is going to tell the ‘boss’ of the CASA meat grinder that ‘they’ have a complaint. BOLLOCKS, faery tale, la-la land, dreamtime BOLLOCKS. Prancing about the country side ‘pressing the flesh’ and using country dunnies is a total waste of time, money and talent. End of.<br />
 <br />
If Carmody want’s (and it is a real question); really want’s to know what is wrong he needs to stay in the office and start reading. Not the ‘bits’ provided, but settle down and read every single complaint lodged against ‘CASA’: interview the applicants for AOC; or the Chief pilots knock backs and many of the other disgusting, disgraceful, deceitful thing CASA have perpetrated in the name of “safety”.  Start there, believe in the evil and do some ducking thing about stopping it - FCODL.<br />
 <br />
A reform DAS, like Smith, for example, would automatically gain industry trust and respect; he has a gold credit rating with ‘industry’. Those are not gifted with the job title; but earned.<br />
 <br />
And so, for the new DAS the clock is ticking and the tote is running. One move against; one for: that makes him ‘Evens’ on the board – but I will advise you all – there are very, very few bets being laid at the moment.<br />
 <br />
And so here begineth the Carmody Hour of fame.  Tote odds posted on ‘the loop’.<br />
 <br />
Selah.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Start the clock GD; <br />
 <br />
So, we have DAS who declares “I’ll wear it” – but only for the ‘decisions’ he makes. Well ain’t that grand, in theory. Talk, as my Grand-pappy said, is cheap son, whisky cost money; real money, that’s as in cash and no bullshit”.  A credit rating is a thing earned, trust is another commodity which must be earned. We have ‘trusted’ two DAS now who turned out to be ‘cash poor’ and traded on ‘position’ for credit, rather than money in the ‘industry’ trust fund. <br />
 <br />
And so, we have a new DAS (ridiculous title), a solidly professional bureaucrat who has wandered into the IOS pub, fronting the bar and offering a round of drinks to the BRB. Good Oh; we’ll take the drinks, no worries and offer him Cheers, while we drink ‘em; but then – what? Well he must, metaphorically, sing for his supper. During that performance there will be some hard, cynical, weary eyes judging; and, they are ‘expert’ judges. Many ‘wannabe’s have graced the BRB stage, some blow hard, some soft, some jiggle most obligingly, some bluster, some boast, some even try their hand at prose: alas, few, very few ‘impress’.<br />
 <br />
And so, we have a new DAS, with one lightweight, exhibition bout at the Estimates cage fights, we can allow that, even appreciate the starting position. Let’s call it a friendly spar, to warm up the combatants and leave it at that; for there was little of any great substance to the amusements. <br />
 <br />
And so, we have a new DAS. But a real, reform oriented DAS; or, a caretaker? Positioned to make a dim, lacklustre minister look good and get the howling mob off his back. Even money on my tote. But I will, nonetheless run a tote on the Carmody innings.   <br />
 <br />
On the plus side. <br />
 <br />
<span style="color: #3333cc;" class="mycode_color">“Carmody also announced among others two new appointments at CASA: <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">Andrew Tiede as manager Air Navigation, Airspace and Aerodromes</span> and Mark Sullivan as Client Services Manager.”</span><br />
 <br />
Smart move. Considering the amount of detritus on the ASA back door step. Tiede seems to be the ‘real deal’ and would know where to find the skeletons – should the minister decide some were urgently needed – to keep the governments sorry arse out the sling. That aside, Tiede seems calm, competent and qualified; long may that last.<br />
 <br />
On the negative side:-<br />
 <br />
<span style="color: #ff3333;" class="mycode_color">"I will continue Mark Skidmore’s commitment to regularly meeting people and organisations across the aviation community to listen to ideas, issues and concerns.</span><br />
 <br />
Oh BOLLOCKS. Carmody trots off to see the Kickatinalong Aero Club, all six of ‘em. Wow; that’ll get to the truth – Skidmore thought they’d spill the beans and tell him their troubles. Fat lot of good that did – who, possessing a sound mind, is going to tell the ‘boss’ of the CASA meat grinder that ‘they’ have a complaint. BOLLOCKS, faery tale, la-la land, dreamtime BOLLOCKS. Prancing about the country side ‘pressing the flesh’ and using country dunnies is a total waste of time, money and talent. End of.<br />
 <br />
If Carmody want’s (and it is a real question); really want’s to know what is wrong he needs to stay in the office and start reading. Not the ‘bits’ provided, but settle down and read every single complaint lodged against ‘CASA’: interview the applicants for AOC; or the Chief pilots knock backs and many of the other disgusting, disgraceful, deceitful thing CASA have perpetrated in the name of “safety”.  Start there, believe in the evil and do some ducking thing about stopping it - FCODL.<br />
 <br />
A reform DAS, like Smith, for example, would automatically gain industry trust and respect; he has a gold credit rating with ‘industry’. Those are not gifted with the job title; but earned.<br />
 <br />
And so, for the new DAS the clock is ticking and the tote is running. One move against; one for: that makes him ‘Evens’ on the board – but I will advise you all – there are very, very few bets being laid at the moment.<br />
 <br />
And so here begineth the Carmody Hour of fame.  Tote odds posted on ‘the loop’.<br />
 <br />
Selah.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Shame or fame for Chester?]]></title>
			<link>https://auntypru.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=132</link>
			<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2016 23:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Disappointed that Senator Fiona Nash didn't take up the Infrastructure &amp; Transport portfolio, after sitting on the RRAT Committee for a number of years in Estimates &amp; especially the Pelair cover-up Inquiry she certainly would have been well briefed on the toxicity that lies within the Aviation Safety 'three Stooges'.<br />
<br />
Barnaby would have been a bit of a wildcard but at least it would have been an interesting ride and he has been known to kick the crap out of a bureaucrat from time to time.. <img src="https://auntypru.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" alt="Big Grin" title="Big Grin" class="smilie smilie_4" /><br />
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Chester is a complete unknown (blank sheet) having by-passed the junior ministry ranks but his acceptance media release does not fill me with whole lot of confidence when it comes to his awareness of an ailing GA industry, ailing because of CASA slowly but inexorably strangling it.. <img src="https://auntypru.com/forum/images/smilies/dodgy.gif" alt="Dodgy" title="Dodgy" class="smilie smilie_14" /><br />
<br />
<img src="http://auntypru.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/DC-statement.png" loading="lazy"  alt="[Image: DC-statement.png]" class="mycode_img img-responsive" /><br />
However the background pic on Mr Chester's twitter account suggests that he maybe aware that there are smaller aircraft than the ones that convey him to &amp; from Can'tberra:<br />
<br />
<br />
<img src="http://auntypru.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Nash-Chester.jpg" loading="lazy"  alt="[Image: Nash-Chester.jpg]" class="mycode_img img-responsive" /><br />
<br />
He would also do well to take counsel on matters aeronautical from the lady (now deputy leader of the NATs) on his right  <img src="https://auntypru.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" alt="Big Grin" title="Big Grin" class="smilie smilie_4" /><br />
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Also from a joint presser back in November last year, Mr Chester should have a reasonable appreciation of the economic benefits of aviation to smaller communities like those that he represents:<br />
<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>Latrobe Valley soars with aviation upgrade<br />
<br />
Media Release<br />
WT378/2015<br />
18 November 2015<br />
<br />
Joint release with:<br />
Jaala Pulford<br />
Victorian Minister for Regional Development<br />
Darren Chester<br />
Member for Gippsland<br />
<br />
<br />
The Latrobe Valley's economy has received a significant boost with the opening of the Growing Aerospace Manufacturing facility at Latrobe Regional Airport today.<br />
<br />
Acting Prime Minister and Minister for Infrastructure and Regional Development Warren Truss said the &#36;4.24 million project is a major boost for the region's economy.<br />
<br />
“This project created 107 jobs during construction and up to 200 jobs have been created in the aerospace industry since the start of this project,” Mr Truss said.<br />
<br />
“The work has involved the construction of an additional aircraft development hangar and infrastructure upgrades to support manufacturing and emergency services at the airport. It has also seen improvements to navigation aids, runway lighting, taxiways and aprons.<br />
<br />
“What this means is a much more effective airport capable of handling growth in air traffic, a particularly important outcome for regional towns impacted by the tyranny of distance.”<br />
<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">Federal Member for Gippsland Darren Chester said the extensive upgrades had been ‘class-leading’.<br />
<br />
</span><br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">“Outcomes of the project included the replacement of the old incandescent lighting system with a complete LED runway and taxiway lighting system, and a Precision Approach Path Indicator, which is the largest complete LED system currently in Victoria,” Mr Chester said.<br />
<br />
</span><br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">“Other works included a 33,350 square metre resurfacing of the main runway, improved drainage and additional water tanks, as well as improvements to taxiways and line markings.”<br />
</span><br />
Victorian Minister for Regional Development Jaala Pulford said the upgrades to the airport held benefits for more than just local residents.<br />
<br />
“The Victorian Government hosts a number of its aerial firefighting aircraft at the airport, a particularly important service we can draw on during a hot dry summer,” Ms Pulford said.<br />
<br />
“I am delighted to see the upgrades complete and I am looking forward to continued investment by the Australian Government in the region. Supporting projects like these is the aim of our &#36;500 million Regional Jobs and Infrastructure Fund which will support major projects, create jobs and build stronger regional communities in the Latrobe Valley.”</blockquote>
<br />
Now for the beginning of the IOS education of the future Minister/miniscule.. <img src="https://auntypru.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" alt="Big Grin" title="Big Grin" class="smilie smilie_4" /><br />
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Dear Mr Chester, please start by referring to the AMROBA thread from about <a href="http://auntypru.com/forum/-AMROBA?pid=2680#pid2680" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">HERE</a> <br />
<br />
<img src="http://auntypru.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Who-Cares-800x400.jpg" loading="lazy"  alt="[Image: Who-Cares-800x400.jpg]" class="mycode_img img-responsive" /><br />
<br />
&amp;..here - <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b"><a href="http://auntypru.com/forum/-Alphabet-if%E2%80%99s-and-but-s?pid=3399#pid3399" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Act now or else</a></span><br />
<br />
So Mr Chester some light reading  to contemplate the enormity of the challenges ahead of you, in aviation safety at least <img src="https://auntypru.com/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif" alt="Wink" title="Wink" class="smilie smilie_2" /> <br />
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In the lead up to Mr Chester's proud moment in front of his peers &amp; the GG, the IOS (in an Act of Grace   <img src="https://auntypru.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" alt="Rolleyes" title="Rolleyes" class="smilie smilie_6" /> ) will allow him time to get his feet under the desk - well at least half-an-hour before the (onslaught) games resume <img src="https://auntypru.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" alt="Big Grin" title="Big Grin" class="smilie smilie_4" />  <br />
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MTF..P2 <img src="https://auntypru.com/forum/images/smilies/tongue.gif" alt="Tongue" title="Tongue" class="smilie smilie_5" /> <br />
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Disappointed that Senator Fiona Nash didn't take up the Infrastructure &amp; Transport portfolio, after sitting on the RRAT Committee for a number of years in Estimates &amp; especially the Pelair cover-up Inquiry she certainly would have been well briefed on the toxicity that lies within the Aviation Safety 'three Stooges'.<br />
<br />
Barnaby would have been a bit of a wildcard but at least it would have been an interesting ride and he has been known to kick the crap out of a bureaucrat from time to time.. <img src="https://auntypru.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" alt="Big Grin" title="Big Grin" class="smilie smilie_4" /><br />
<br />
Chester is a complete unknown (blank sheet) having by-passed the junior ministry ranks but his acceptance media release does not fill me with whole lot of confidence when it comes to his awareness of an ailing GA industry, ailing because of CASA slowly but inexorably strangling it.. <img src="https://auntypru.com/forum/images/smilies/dodgy.gif" alt="Dodgy" title="Dodgy" class="smilie smilie_14" /><br />
<br />
<img src="http://auntypru.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/DC-statement.png" loading="lazy"  alt="[Image: DC-statement.png]" class="mycode_img img-responsive" /><br />
However the background pic on Mr Chester's twitter account suggests that he maybe aware that there are smaller aircraft than the ones that convey him to &amp; from Can'tberra:<br />
<br />
<br />
<img src="http://auntypru.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Nash-Chester.jpg" loading="lazy"  alt="[Image: Nash-Chester.jpg]" class="mycode_img img-responsive" /><br />
<br />
He would also do well to take counsel on matters aeronautical from the lady (now deputy leader of the NATs) on his right  <img src="https://auntypru.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" alt="Big Grin" title="Big Grin" class="smilie smilie_4" /><br />
<br />
Also from a joint presser back in November last year, Mr Chester should have a reasonable appreciation of the economic benefits of aviation to smaller communities like those that he represents:<br />
<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>Latrobe Valley soars with aviation upgrade<br />
<br />
Media Release<br />
WT378/2015<br />
18 November 2015<br />
<br />
Joint release with:<br />
Jaala Pulford<br />
Victorian Minister for Regional Development<br />
Darren Chester<br />
Member for Gippsland<br />
<br />
<br />
The Latrobe Valley's economy has received a significant boost with the opening of the Growing Aerospace Manufacturing facility at Latrobe Regional Airport today.<br />
<br />
Acting Prime Minister and Minister for Infrastructure and Regional Development Warren Truss said the &#36;4.24 million project is a major boost for the region's economy.<br />
<br />
“This project created 107 jobs during construction and up to 200 jobs have been created in the aerospace industry since the start of this project,” Mr Truss said.<br />
<br />
“The work has involved the construction of an additional aircraft development hangar and infrastructure upgrades to support manufacturing and emergency services at the airport. It has also seen improvements to navigation aids, runway lighting, taxiways and aprons.<br />
<br />
“What this means is a much more effective airport capable of handling growth in air traffic, a particularly important outcome for regional towns impacted by the tyranny of distance.”<br />
<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">Federal Member for Gippsland Darren Chester said the extensive upgrades had been ‘class-leading’.<br />
<br />
</span><br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">“Outcomes of the project included the replacement of the old incandescent lighting system with a complete LED runway and taxiway lighting system, and a Precision Approach Path Indicator, which is the largest complete LED system currently in Victoria,” Mr Chester said.<br />
<br />
</span><br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">“Other works included a 33,350 square metre resurfacing of the main runway, improved drainage and additional water tanks, as well as improvements to taxiways and line markings.”<br />
</span><br />
Victorian Minister for Regional Development Jaala Pulford said the upgrades to the airport held benefits for more than just local residents.<br />
<br />
“The Victorian Government hosts a number of its aerial firefighting aircraft at the airport, a particularly important service we can draw on during a hot dry summer,” Ms Pulford said.<br />
<br />
“I am delighted to see the upgrades complete and I am looking forward to continued investment by the Australian Government in the region. Supporting projects like these is the aim of our &#36;500 million Regional Jobs and Infrastructure Fund which will support major projects, create jobs and build stronger regional communities in the Latrobe Valley.”</blockquote>
<br />
Now for the beginning of the IOS education of the future Minister/miniscule.. <img src="https://auntypru.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" alt="Big Grin" title="Big Grin" class="smilie smilie_4" /><br />
<br />
Dear Mr Chester, please start by referring to the AMROBA thread from about <a href="http://auntypru.com/forum/-AMROBA?pid=2680#pid2680" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">HERE</a> <br />
<br />
<img src="http://auntypru.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Who-Cares-800x400.jpg" loading="lazy"  alt="[Image: Who-Cares-800x400.jpg]" class="mycode_img img-responsive" /><br />
<br />
&amp;..here - <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b"><a href="http://auntypru.com/forum/-Alphabet-if%E2%80%99s-and-but-s?pid=3399#pid3399" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Act now or else</a></span><br />
<br />
So Mr Chester some light reading  to contemplate the enormity of the challenges ahead of you, in aviation safety at least <img src="https://auntypru.com/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif" alt="Wink" title="Wink" class="smilie smilie_2" /> <br />
<br />
In the lead up to Mr Chester's proud moment in front of his peers &amp; the GG, the IOS (in an Act of Grace   <img src="https://auntypru.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" alt="Rolleyes" title="Rolleyes" class="smilie smilie_6" /> ) will allow him time to get his feet under the desk - well at least half-an-hour before the (onslaught) games resume <img src="https://auntypru.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" alt="Big Grin" title="Big Grin" class="smilie smilie_4" />  <br />
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MTF..P2 <img src="https://auntypru.com/forum/images/smilies/tongue.gif" alt="Tongue" title="Tongue" class="smilie smilie_5" /> <br />
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			<title><![CDATA["The' Chambers Report.]]></title>
			<link>https://auntypru.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=109</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2015 08:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator><![CDATA[<a href="https://auntypru.com/forum/member.php?action=profile&uid=18">P7_TOM</a>]]></dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[Top post from P2.  It is an interesting topic, subject of much debate and 'inspection'.  Posted here, under it's own banner for further discussion -  <br />
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<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b"><span style="font-size: small;" class="mycode_size">P2 - Blast from the past</span></span><br />
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While sifting through the surprisingly interesting &amp; informative ASAM blog archive, I stumbled across a truly remarkable article from February 18 2013, that I just have to reproduce. Why? Well to me it represents a totally unbiased, no skin in the game, summation of the extraordinary revelations that came out of the Senate PelAir Inquiry public hearing on 17 February 2013:<br />
Quote:<br />
18th of February 2013<br />
<br />
<br />
Pel-Air Senate hearing sensation: CASA hid key safety audits from ATSB<br />
<br />
In a set of extraordinary disclosures in the Senate inquiry into the Pel-Air crash report today it was revealed that two key safety audits were kept secret by the safety regulator CASA from the safety investigator the ATSB in contravention of a cooperative memorandum of understanding between the two bodies.<br />
<br />
The two most senior officers in the Australian Transport Safety Bureau, its chief commissioner Martin Dolan and its GM air investigations Ian Sangston did not know of the existence of the audits, one of which was scathingly critical of CASA's oversight of Pel-Air, until about 30 minutes before they appeared at the inquiry immediately after an often intense examination of CASA's Director Aviation Safety John McCormick.<br />
<br />
One document, the Chambers Review of CASA, ordered by McCormick and kept secret from the ATSB, found that the ditching of a tiny Westwind air ambulance flight near Norfolk Island in November 2009 might have been avoided had the regulator been doing its job properly.<br />
<br />
The other, a fatigue management review of the ill fated flight commissioned from the UK safety regulator, suggested that the captain of the flight Dominic James may have been unfit to fly the Careflight mission under its rules.<br />
<br />
CASA's director of air safety John McCormick said he didn't consider either of them relevant to the cause of the accident, which he says was entirely the fault of the captain, but would have been made available to the ATSB if it has asked for them.<br />
<br />
Senator David Fawcett, an experienced pilot, and Senator Nick Xenophon, the instigator of the hearing, pointed out to McCormick repeatedly in the exchanges between them and him that the ATSB could not ask for audits it didn't know existed, and that under the rules of co-operation between the two bodies, their existence had to be disclosed.<br />
<br />
What then followed was a lengthy spectacle in which the most senior executive in CASA, McCormick, denied understanding or recognising the most basic and clearly written obligations that exist in the MoU between the two bodies concerning the exchange of information between them.<br />
<br />
The Senate committee is inquiring in the final report by the ATSB into the accident, and how it became changed from one dealing with serious issues concerning the rules relating to fuel and route planning to one that blamed the crash almost entirely on the actions of the captain.<br />
<br />
Senator Xenophon told ATSB chief commissioner Dolan that the Pel-Air report the ATSB had finally issued was less compliant with the standards of ICAO Annex 13 than those produced by its counterparts in Nigeria and Lebanon, a comparison strongly rejected by Dolan.<br />
<br />
Both the fatigue audit and the CASA audit, which is separate from the CASA special audit into Pel-Air shortly after the crash, will be posted online on the Senate Committee website later today.<br />
<br />
At the outset of today's hearing Senator Fawcett speaking for the committee said it accepted that errors in fueling the jet that was ditched off Norfolk Island were made by the captain, and that the purpose of the inquiry was not to exonerate the pilot but to examine more deeply how the ATSB report was arrived at, and among other things, understand why it said little to explain why the pilot might have made the errors he did.<br />
<br />
The committee repeatedly sought information from the CASA team lead by McCormick as to why the regulator had not disclosed the Chambers Review, commissioned by McCormick, to the ATSB, quoting passages in which it found that had there been more effective auditing and oversight of Pel-Air, the operator of the jet, it would have discovered key failings in its performance and pilot training from interviews with the line pilots that if acted upon in a timely manner could have prevented the accident ever happening.<br />
<br />
McCormick said he considered the Chambers Review a private document, which made no findings which would have altered the ATSB's eventual findings that the accident was caused by pilot error if not violations of the rules by him.<br />
He said "I did say at the time that I wanted it warts and all."<br />
<br />
Xenophon told McCormick his explanation for withholding the Chambers Review's existence and findings from the ATSB to be "curious and bizarre."<br />
<br />
McCormick told the hearing that CASA had kept the findings of the Chambers Review from the ATSB in order "not to contaminate its decision making."<br />
<br />
He stressed the importance CASA placed on the ATSB reaching its own conclusions.<br />
However during the course of the hearing committee members read from emails which said, among other things, that the two bodies needed to avoid "putting egg on each other's faces", that a consistent policy was desirable as to whether flights should immediately divert to alternative airports when the weather deteriorated below minimums at destination airports, and other email discussions as to how the initially divergent views of CASA and the ATSB about the seriousness of the accident and were coming into alignment.<br />
<br />
Senator Fawcett put it to McCormick that he had in his possession information that the surveillance and processes of CASA in relation to Pel-Air were inadequate, and that in not disclosing this to the ATSB he had shaped its report, which had found that there were no systemic operator or regulator failings that had contributed to the accident.<br />
<br />
McCormick replied that the findings of the Chambers Review were not considered relevant to the ATSB's inquiries or findings, to which Senator Xenophone asked without audible answer "How would you know?"<br />
<br />
Xenophon said "there is a positive obligation on CASA to disclose the document to the ATSB for its consideration. "<br />
<br />
The SA Independent Senator said "You wanted this report to be downgraded in its safety important to protect CASA from the criticisms in the Chambers Review .... which found that if you had done the job the accident might have been avoided ....it was much more convenient to put all the blame on the pilot ...you've actually covered things up by not releasing the document."<br />
<br />
McCormick strongly denied this, repeating that in his opinion this was a private document commissioned by him while he was early in the job to understand what was happening in CASA.<br />
<br />
He conceded at one stage that he might have been wrong in this, and said that he apologised if he was wrong, and defended the now more advanced reform process he had undertaken at CASA describing it as a now much more efficient, competent and effective body that it had been at the time of the accident.<br />
<br />
Senator Fawcett said several times that he accepted that progress had been made at CASA but also pointed out that this wasn't what the committee was set up to do in its examination of the ATSB final report into the Pel-Air crash and the relationship between the safety regulator and the safety investigator.<br />
<br />
When the ATSB team began its appearance before the committee, having only just learned of the existence of the two CASA documents, its chief commissioner Martin Dolan said he could not give answers as to the effect on its Pel-Air report of not receiving that information 'on the run'.<br />
<br />
Dolan said he would be able to give considered replies to such questions at a later date.<br />
However in an exchange with the committee Dolan explained that the ATSB's starting point in its investigation was the factual evidence available at the time.<br />
<br />
Senator Fawcett said "There is concern in the committee that there is some serious dsyfunctionality in your starting point because the evidence that you started with was not as complete as it should have been for the public or for you."<br />
<br />
Dolan said "I'd prefer to give due consideration to this than make it on the run."<br />
Not sure who the author was but IMO (on today's currency) a packet of Tim-tams would be a minimum reward for that effort Wink<br />
MTF..P2 Tongue]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Top post from P2.  It is an interesting topic, subject of much debate and 'inspection'.  Posted here, under it's own banner for further discussion -  <br />
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<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b"><span style="font-size: small;" class="mycode_size">P2 - Blast from the past</span></span><br />
<br />
While sifting through the surprisingly interesting &amp; informative ASAM blog archive, I stumbled across a truly remarkable article from February 18 2013, that I just have to reproduce. Why? Well to me it represents a totally unbiased, no skin in the game, summation of the extraordinary revelations that came out of the Senate PelAir Inquiry public hearing on 17 February 2013:<br />
Quote:<br />
18th of February 2013<br />
<br />
<br />
Pel-Air Senate hearing sensation: CASA hid key safety audits from ATSB<br />
<br />
In a set of extraordinary disclosures in the Senate inquiry into the Pel-Air crash report today it was revealed that two key safety audits were kept secret by the safety regulator CASA from the safety investigator the ATSB in contravention of a cooperative memorandum of understanding between the two bodies.<br />
<br />
The two most senior officers in the Australian Transport Safety Bureau, its chief commissioner Martin Dolan and its GM air investigations Ian Sangston did not know of the existence of the audits, one of which was scathingly critical of CASA's oversight of Pel-Air, until about 30 minutes before they appeared at the inquiry immediately after an often intense examination of CASA's Director Aviation Safety John McCormick.<br />
<br />
One document, the Chambers Review of CASA, ordered by McCormick and kept secret from the ATSB, found that the ditching of a tiny Westwind air ambulance flight near Norfolk Island in November 2009 might have been avoided had the regulator been doing its job properly.<br />
<br />
The other, a fatigue management review of the ill fated flight commissioned from the UK safety regulator, suggested that the captain of the flight Dominic James may have been unfit to fly the Careflight mission under its rules.<br />
<br />
CASA's director of air safety John McCormick said he didn't consider either of them relevant to the cause of the accident, which he says was entirely the fault of the captain, but would have been made available to the ATSB if it has asked for them.<br />
<br />
Senator David Fawcett, an experienced pilot, and Senator Nick Xenophon, the instigator of the hearing, pointed out to McCormick repeatedly in the exchanges between them and him that the ATSB could not ask for audits it didn't know existed, and that under the rules of co-operation between the two bodies, their existence had to be disclosed.<br />
<br />
What then followed was a lengthy spectacle in which the most senior executive in CASA, McCormick, denied understanding or recognising the most basic and clearly written obligations that exist in the MoU between the two bodies concerning the exchange of information between them.<br />
<br />
The Senate committee is inquiring in the final report by the ATSB into the accident, and how it became changed from one dealing with serious issues concerning the rules relating to fuel and route planning to one that blamed the crash almost entirely on the actions of the captain.<br />
<br />
Senator Xenophon told ATSB chief commissioner Dolan that the Pel-Air report the ATSB had finally issued was less compliant with the standards of ICAO Annex 13 than those produced by its counterparts in Nigeria and Lebanon, a comparison strongly rejected by Dolan.<br />
<br />
Both the fatigue audit and the CASA audit, which is separate from the CASA special audit into Pel-Air shortly after the crash, will be posted online on the Senate Committee website later today.<br />
<br />
At the outset of today's hearing Senator Fawcett speaking for the committee said it accepted that errors in fueling the jet that was ditched off Norfolk Island were made by the captain, and that the purpose of the inquiry was not to exonerate the pilot but to examine more deeply how the ATSB report was arrived at, and among other things, understand why it said little to explain why the pilot might have made the errors he did.<br />
<br />
The committee repeatedly sought information from the CASA team lead by McCormick as to why the regulator had not disclosed the Chambers Review, commissioned by McCormick, to the ATSB, quoting passages in which it found that had there been more effective auditing and oversight of Pel-Air, the operator of the jet, it would have discovered key failings in its performance and pilot training from interviews with the line pilots that if acted upon in a timely manner could have prevented the accident ever happening.<br />
<br />
McCormick said he considered the Chambers Review a private document, which made no findings which would have altered the ATSB's eventual findings that the accident was caused by pilot error if not violations of the rules by him.<br />
He said "I did say at the time that I wanted it warts and all."<br />
<br />
Xenophon told McCormick his explanation for withholding the Chambers Review's existence and findings from the ATSB to be "curious and bizarre."<br />
<br />
McCormick told the hearing that CASA had kept the findings of the Chambers Review from the ATSB in order "not to contaminate its decision making."<br />
<br />
He stressed the importance CASA placed on the ATSB reaching its own conclusions.<br />
However during the course of the hearing committee members read from emails which said, among other things, that the two bodies needed to avoid "putting egg on each other's faces", that a consistent policy was desirable as to whether flights should immediately divert to alternative airports when the weather deteriorated below minimums at destination airports, and other email discussions as to how the initially divergent views of CASA and the ATSB about the seriousness of the accident and were coming into alignment.<br />
<br />
Senator Fawcett put it to McCormick that he had in his possession information that the surveillance and processes of CASA in relation to Pel-Air were inadequate, and that in not disclosing this to the ATSB he had shaped its report, which had found that there were no systemic operator or regulator failings that had contributed to the accident.<br />
<br />
McCormick replied that the findings of the Chambers Review were not considered relevant to the ATSB's inquiries or findings, to which Senator Xenophone asked without audible answer "How would you know?"<br />
<br />
Xenophon said "there is a positive obligation on CASA to disclose the document to the ATSB for its consideration. "<br />
<br />
The SA Independent Senator said "You wanted this report to be downgraded in its safety important to protect CASA from the criticisms in the Chambers Review .... which found that if you had done the job the accident might have been avoided ....it was much more convenient to put all the blame on the pilot ...you've actually covered things up by not releasing the document."<br />
<br />
McCormick strongly denied this, repeating that in his opinion this was a private document commissioned by him while he was early in the job to understand what was happening in CASA.<br />
<br />
He conceded at one stage that he might have been wrong in this, and said that he apologised if he was wrong, and defended the now more advanced reform process he had undertaken at CASA describing it as a now much more efficient, competent and effective body that it had been at the time of the accident.<br />
<br />
Senator Fawcett said several times that he accepted that progress had been made at CASA but also pointed out that this wasn't what the committee was set up to do in its examination of the ATSB final report into the Pel-Air crash and the relationship between the safety regulator and the safety investigator.<br />
<br />
When the ATSB team began its appearance before the committee, having only just learned of the existence of the two CASA documents, its chief commissioner Martin Dolan said he could not give answers as to the effect on its Pel-Air report of not receiving that information 'on the run'.<br />
<br />
Dolan said he would be able to give considered replies to such questions at a later date.<br />
However in an exchange with the committee Dolan explained that the ATSB's starting point in its investigation was the factual evidence available at the time.<br />
<br />
Senator Fawcett said "There is concern in the committee that there is some serious dsyfunctionality in your starting point because the evidence that you started with was not as complete as it should have been for the public or for you."<br />
<br />
Dolan said "I'd prefer to give due consideration to this than make it on the run."<br />
Not sure who the author was but IMO (on today's currency) a packet of Tim-tams would be a minimum reward for that effort Wink<br />
MTF..P2 Tongue]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Part 61 - For Dummies.]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">To all flying schools, flight examiners and testing officers</span><br />
<br />
<br />
<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>RE:  Important information to get the fastest processing result for applications/notifications<br />
<br />
The introduction of CASR Part 61, 64, 141 and 142 did impact on PAC’s service delivery.  We acknowledge that there were difficulties for industry, as well as for us, in coming to terms with the requirements of the new regulations.  We know it has been frustrating for industry and applicants and we do appreciate your understanding and patience.  However, we are now significantly picking up the pace on our processing.  During the last 5 months we have identified a number of common issues with the applications/notifications we receive and offer the following points to assist you with the process, which will lead to reducing the time it takes to return a licence.<br />
<br />
For the issue of a CPL/MPL, in accordance with CASR 61.245(3)(b), the flight test must not be conducted by the same person (HOFO/CFI) who has certified in writing that the applicant has met the requirements of CASR 61.235. Please ensure for these flight tests that the flight examiner did not also certify the applicant was suitable.  This requirement ONLY applies to a flight test for commercial or multi-crew pilot licence.<br />
<br />
If the training provider is a Part 141 organisation, the person certifying under 61.235(5) must either be the operator’s head of operations or a person named in the Part 141 operator’s operation manual as responsible for the flight training to which the flight test relates.<br />
If the training provider is undertaking Part 142 activities, the person certifying under 61.235(5) must be the operator’s head of operations (CFI).<br />
<br />
You must ensure on notification forms, particularly form 61-2I, that the applicant does not inadvertently complete and sign the declaration for the Person under CASR 61.235(5).  We are receiving applications where this has occurred.  The Flight Examiner has then conducted the flight test.  This is not acceptable, and the application/notification will be returned and the applicant’s record will not be updated at this time.<br />
<br />
For applications for licences, please ask the applicant’s permission to include the training provider’s contact details in Section C:  Applicant Declaration of the form and enter a contact name and email address.  This will enable PAC to return an incomplete application to the training provider at the same time it is returned to the applicant.  This will greatly speed up the time taken to address any issues with the application and ensure the applicant gets their licence as quickly as possible.  We are bound by the Privacy Act and we cannot return an application to a third party without permission, even though we understand many flying schools complete much of the form on behalf of the applicant.<br />
<br />
Please ensure you read all forms carefully and that you and the applicant complete all sections of the form.  Remember, you do NOT have to submit KDRs with licence applications any more.<br />
When conducting flight tests and submitting notifications to CASA (issue of operational ratings, class/type ratings, proficiency checks etc), you must complete and send the appropriate notification form to CASA – not just the flight test page. <br />
<br />
Please be aware that an aeronautical radio operator certificate (AROC) is NOT a replacement for a flight radio operator licence (FROL).  The requirements for a FROL, previously issued under CAR 5, are embedded in the training for the licence.  Therefore this application for an AROC is not required as part of any licence application, including for an RPL.<br />
<br />
If you are conducting flight tests for the conversion of an overseas licence, please be aware that the conversion of an overseas flight crew licence is a two-part process.  The applicant will submit Form 61-4A to CASA, who will verify the licence and assess the application.  CASA will send a letter to the applicant advising them that CASA is satisfied they hold overseas permissions that CASA will recognise and advising them to complete exams before contacting a 141 or 142 organisation to organise a flight test for the licence and, if applicable, operational ratings.  The applicant should then complete exams and take evidence of successfully passing the exams and the letter from CASA to the Flying School.  The Flying School will assess the applicant’s competency and if they are satisfied they have met all the competencies, the organisation will book a flight test.  On completion of a successful flight test, the Flying School will submit Form 61-4B to notify CASA of the result.  These two forms should NOT be submitted at the same time.<br />
<br />
For licence applications, we would appreciate it if you could let applicants know they can pay online.  Online payments are available from the CASA website.  This will increase our efficiency in processing applications.<br />
<br />
Please use the following links for further information that we believe is pertinent to you.  Your students or candidates for flight tests would also  benefit from this information and we would appreciate your assistance in ensuring they are aware of these links.<br />
Aircraft ratings (overview)<br />
<br />
<a href="http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_101936" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WC...=PC_101936</a><br />
<br />
Aircraft ratings<br />
<a href="http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_101931" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WC...=PC_101931</a><br />
<br />
Class-rated aircraft that require training and a flight review - includes list of aircraft types<br />
<a href="http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_102048" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WC...=PC_102048</a><br />
<br />
An alternative to a class rating flight review — includes list of aircraft types<br />
<a href="http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_102049" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WC...=PC_102049</a><br />
<br />
Aircraft type ratings (overview)<br />
<a href="http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_101935" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WC...=PC_101935</a><br />
<br />
Guide to type-rated aeroplanes — includes list of ratings<br />
<a href="http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_102026" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WC...=PC_102026</a><br />
<br />
A guide to type-rated helicopters — includes list of ratings<br />
<a href="http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_102046" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WC...=PC_102046</a><br />
Flight reviews<br />
<a href="http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_101937" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WC...=PC_101937</a><br />
<br />
Proficiency checks<br />
<a href="http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_101938" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WC...=PC_101938</a><br />
<br />
New look pilot licences from 1 September 2014<br />
<a href="http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_102135" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WC...=PC_102135</a><br />
<br />
Flight crew licensing - frequently asked questions<br />
<a href="http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_102186" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WC...=PC_102186</a><br />
<br />
Flight Crew Licensing – Part 61<br />
<a href="http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_101440" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WC...=PC_101440</a><br />
<br />
Flight Examiner Handbook<br />
<a href="http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_102160" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WC...=PC_102160</a><br />
<br />
Flight crew licensing entry guide<br />
<a href="http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_102094" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WC...=PC_102094</a><br />
<br />
CAR Part 5 Licence Instruction Guide<br />
<a href="http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_102094" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WC...=PC_102094</a><br />
<br />
We are continuing to review our forms and processes to ensure we can make improvements that will assist industry and allow PAC to reduce service delivery timeframes.<br />
<br />
Yours sincerely<br />
<br />
Mark Taylor<br />
Manager PAC</blockquote>
<br />
<br />
Got that - piece of cake -  Right  <img src="https://auntypru.com/forum/images/smilies/huh.gif" alt="Huh" title="Huh" class="smilie smilie_17" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">To all flying schools, flight examiners and testing officers</span><br />
<br />
<br />
<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>RE:  Important information to get the fastest processing result for applications/notifications<br />
<br />
The introduction of CASR Part 61, 64, 141 and 142 did impact on PAC’s service delivery.  We acknowledge that there were difficulties for industry, as well as for us, in coming to terms with the requirements of the new regulations.  We know it has been frustrating for industry and applicants and we do appreciate your understanding and patience.  However, we are now significantly picking up the pace on our processing.  During the last 5 months we have identified a number of common issues with the applications/notifications we receive and offer the following points to assist you with the process, which will lead to reducing the time it takes to return a licence.<br />
<br />
For the issue of a CPL/MPL, in accordance with CASR 61.245(3)(b), the flight test must not be conducted by the same person (HOFO/CFI) who has certified in writing that the applicant has met the requirements of CASR 61.235. Please ensure for these flight tests that the flight examiner did not also certify the applicant was suitable.  This requirement ONLY applies to a flight test for commercial or multi-crew pilot licence.<br />
<br />
If the training provider is a Part 141 organisation, the person certifying under 61.235(5) must either be the operator’s head of operations or a person named in the Part 141 operator’s operation manual as responsible for the flight training to which the flight test relates.<br />
If the training provider is undertaking Part 142 activities, the person certifying under 61.235(5) must be the operator’s head of operations (CFI).<br />
<br />
You must ensure on notification forms, particularly form 61-2I, that the applicant does not inadvertently complete and sign the declaration for the Person under CASR 61.235(5).  We are receiving applications where this has occurred.  The Flight Examiner has then conducted the flight test.  This is not acceptable, and the application/notification will be returned and the applicant’s record will not be updated at this time.<br />
<br />
For applications for licences, please ask the applicant’s permission to include the training provider’s contact details in Section C:  Applicant Declaration of the form and enter a contact name and email address.  This will enable PAC to return an incomplete application to the training provider at the same time it is returned to the applicant.  This will greatly speed up the time taken to address any issues with the application and ensure the applicant gets their licence as quickly as possible.  We are bound by the Privacy Act and we cannot return an application to a third party without permission, even though we understand many flying schools complete much of the form on behalf of the applicant.<br />
<br />
Please ensure you read all forms carefully and that you and the applicant complete all sections of the form.  Remember, you do NOT have to submit KDRs with licence applications any more.<br />
When conducting flight tests and submitting notifications to CASA (issue of operational ratings, class/type ratings, proficiency checks etc), you must complete and send the appropriate notification form to CASA – not just the flight test page. <br />
<br />
Please be aware that an aeronautical radio operator certificate (AROC) is NOT a replacement for a flight radio operator licence (FROL).  The requirements for a FROL, previously issued under CAR 5, are embedded in the training for the licence.  Therefore this application for an AROC is not required as part of any licence application, including for an RPL.<br />
<br />
If you are conducting flight tests for the conversion of an overseas licence, please be aware that the conversion of an overseas flight crew licence is a two-part process.  The applicant will submit Form 61-4A to CASA, who will verify the licence and assess the application.  CASA will send a letter to the applicant advising them that CASA is satisfied they hold overseas permissions that CASA will recognise and advising them to complete exams before contacting a 141 or 142 organisation to organise a flight test for the licence and, if applicable, operational ratings.  The applicant should then complete exams and take evidence of successfully passing the exams and the letter from CASA to the Flying School.  The Flying School will assess the applicant’s competency and if they are satisfied they have met all the competencies, the organisation will book a flight test.  On completion of a successful flight test, the Flying School will submit Form 61-4B to notify CASA of the result.  These two forms should NOT be submitted at the same time.<br />
<br />
For licence applications, we would appreciate it if you could let applicants know they can pay online.  Online payments are available from the CASA website.  This will increase our efficiency in processing applications.<br />
<br />
Please use the following links for further information that we believe is pertinent to you.  Your students or candidates for flight tests would also  benefit from this information and we would appreciate your assistance in ensuring they are aware of these links.<br />
Aircraft ratings (overview)<br />
<br />
<a href="http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_101936" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WC...=PC_101936</a><br />
<br />
Aircraft ratings<br />
<a href="http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_101931" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WC...=PC_101931</a><br />
<br />
Class-rated aircraft that require training and a flight review - includes list of aircraft types<br />
<a href="http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_102048" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WC...=PC_102048</a><br />
<br />
An alternative to a class rating flight review — includes list of aircraft types<br />
<a href="http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_102049" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WC...=PC_102049</a><br />
<br />
Aircraft type ratings (overview)<br />
<a href="http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_101935" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WC...=PC_101935</a><br />
<br />
Guide to type-rated aeroplanes — includes list of ratings<br />
<a href="http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_102026" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WC...=PC_102026</a><br />
<br />
A guide to type-rated helicopters — includes list of ratings<br />
<a href="http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_102046" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WC...=PC_102046</a><br />
Flight reviews<br />
<a href="http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_101937" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WC...=PC_101937</a><br />
<br />
Proficiency checks<br />
<a href="http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_101938" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WC...=PC_101938</a><br />
<br />
New look pilot licences from 1 September 2014<br />
<a href="http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_102135" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WC...=PC_102135</a><br />
<br />
Flight crew licensing - frequently asked questions<br />
<a href="http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_102186" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WC...=PC_102186</a><br />
<br />
Flight Crew Licensing – Part 61<br />
<a href="http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_101440" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WC...=PC_101440</a><br />
<br />
Flight Examiner Handbook<br />
<a href="http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_102160" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WC...=PC_102160</a><br />
<br />
Flight crew licensing entry guide<br />
<a href="http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_102094" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WC...=PC_102094</a><br />
<br />
CAR Part 5 Licence Instruction Guide<br />
<a href="http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_102094" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WC...=PC_102094</a><br />
<br />
We are continuing to review our forms and processes to ensure we can make improvements that will assist industry and allow PAC to reduce service delivery timeframes.<br />
<br />
Yours sincerely<br />
<br />
Mark Taylor<br />
Manager PAC</blockquote>
<br />
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Got that - piece of cake -  Right  <img src="https://auntypru.com/forum/images/smilies/huh.gif" alt="Huh" title="Huh" class="smilie smilie_17" />]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Forsyth report - IOS monitoring of progress??]]></title>
			<link>https://auntypru.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=45</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2015 23:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b"><span style="text-decoration: underline;" class="mycode_u">The good</span></span><br />
In CASA's latest missive - <a href="http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_102447" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">March CASA Briefing</a> - where DAS Skidmore announced that he has initiated a full review of <a href="http://auntypru.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=17&amp;pid=249#pid249" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Avmed </a> he also linked to a recent speech he made to the <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Aviation Medical Society of Victoria. </span>In that speech he also touched on the Government's direction in regards to aviation safety generally &amp; more specifically to aeromedical issues:<br />
<br />
<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">Government’s Direction</span> <br />
<br />
<br />
<ul class="mycode_list"><li>As most of you are aware, the Government has set a clear agenda for CASA in 2015 and the years to follow through its response to the <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Aviation Safety Regulation Review (ASRR)</span>, which was released late in 2014. I am glad the Government’s response to the Review has coincided with the commencement of my tenure as the Director of Aviation Safety, as this provides a clear basis for planning, action and achievement.<br />
</li>
<li>Aviation medical concerns were amongst the more contentious issues raised in submissions to the ASRR and continue to be the subject of industry stakeholder comment. We are aware of a range of concerns raised by some members of the aviation community in the Report in relation to administration and decision making processes with respect to the issuing of aviation medical certificates.<br />
</li>
<li>In response to the ASRR, CASA has already identified a range of administrative measures to improve turnaround in the processing of certificates.<br />
</li>
<li>In relation to more contentious medical conditions, the Government has asked that CASA ensure its processes are as transparent as possible to the applicant, including the supporting reasons for its decisions to grant or not grant a medical certificate or place conditions on licences. It is acknowledged that different specialists can reach a different view on particularly complex cases but ultimately CASA has to make its decision based on aviation safety grounds.<br />
</li>
<li>Moreover the Government has asked that CASA undertake a review of its aviation medical Branch to establish whether a more effective and efficient system might be put in place without adversely impacting on safety.<br />
</li>
<li>Although the Aviation Medicine (AvMed) capability in CASA has achieved a range of significant improvements in performance and outcomes over the past three years, CASA recognises the need to improve its service delivery and to ensure that its decision-making processes are transparent and evidence-based.<br />
</li>
<li>As with other similar regulators, CASA is having difficulty in recruiting and retaining medical staff and a continued high level of CASA resources are tied up in aviation medical case reviews, complaints and appeals. These and other competing work pressures are contributing to a significant backlog of cases for medical review.<br />
</li>
<li>However, on a positive note let me tell you that CASA has already commenced a process to permit approved DAMEs to issue and renew Class 2 medical certificates. A post implementation review of this process will be conducted in the second half of 2015.<br />
</li>
<li>The results of the post implementation review will be considered and assessed to inform future consideration of a detailed examination of issues involved with the potential ability for DAME’s to renew medical certificates for classes 1 and 3 as identified in the ASRR’s recommendation.<br />
</li>
<li>Further, we have commenced a full review of our AvMed capability to ensure that the delivery of its functions are effective and efficient, and fully aligns with CASA’s obligations under the Civil Aviation Act, the expectations of Government and the needs of medical certificate applicants. The review will include looking at various options to improve service delivery and the options for obtaining timely expert advice on complex matters. The review will be completed by the second half of the year.<br />
</li>
<li>Let me provide a bit more detail on this review for your information. During this review, we will consider, amongst other things:<ul class="mycode_list"><li>ongoing issues experienced with the recruitment and retention of suitably qualified and experienced aviation medicine medical practitioners,<br />
</li>
<li>the strategic approach to aviation medicine policy standards and clinical practice development, and<br />
</li>
<li>options for how the organisation can optimally deliver aviation medicine services into the future. <br />
</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>The review is planning to engage with stakeholders (applicants, broader industry and other key stakeholders) in the coming months to collate feedback on the business improvements currently being made to AvMed. Active engagement in the review is encouraged to ensure that all contributions are captured in improving the delivery of this important function. <br />
</li>
</ul>
</blockquote>
 <br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b"><span style="text-decoration: underline;" class="mycode_u">The indifferent</span></span><br />
Sounds quite positive but again the proof will be in the pudding and industry needs to show a certain level of trust that Skidmore's intentions are truly honourable for any of it too work?? It also wouldn't hurt if the miniscule pulled his finger out and showed support for the DAS with a SOE that guaranteed that the Forsyth review will be actively acted on ASAP - P2 <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">"Dear Mr Truss..FFS stop with the procrastination &amp; just get on with it!"</span>  <img src="https://auntypru.com/forum/images/smilies/dodgy.gif" alt="Dodgy" title="Dodgy" class="smilie smilie_14" />     <br />
<br />
<span style="text-decoration: underline;" class="mycode_u"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">And the bad</span></span><br />
<br />
From the Oz:<br />
<br />
<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">CASA seeks to hike fees as &#36;25m loss looms</span>  <br />
<br />
<br />
<a href="http://www.theaustralian.com.au/author/Steve+Creedy" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Steve Creedy</a><br />
<a href="http://www.theaustralian.com.au/author/Steve+Creedy" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url"><img src="http://media.theaustralian.com.au/authors/images/steve_creedy.png" loading="lazy"  alt="[Image: steve_creedy.png]" class="mycode_img img-responsive" /></a><br />
Aviation Editor<br />
Sydney<br />
<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">AUSTRALIA’S air safety regulator is calling for comment on a raft of new fees it is proposing as revenues from aviation regulatory services fall more than &#36;25 million short of costs.  </span><br />
<br />
The Civil Aviation Safety Authority predicts the cost of ­activities for which it charges will be &#36;40.8m this financial year, resulting in a deficit of &#36;25.8m and predicts this will increase due to inflation to &#36;30m in 2018-19.<br />
<br />
While it is not planning to raise existing fees, which have traditionally produced cost recovery revenue from aviation regulatory services of below &#36;15m, it has proposed applying hourly rates to a raft of new areas.<br />
<br />
Many of these are associated with the controversial introduction of new Part 61 regulations on flight crew licensing that have ­angered aviation groups at the small end of town.<br />
<br />
They include new fees for testing, approvals, professional development and endorsements.<br />
CASA has not raised its four-tier hourly rates since 2007 and currently charges &#36;100, &#36;130, &#36;160 or &#36;190 per hour.<br />
Which rate applies to which area depends on the complexity involved, what administration is involved and whether it requires the skills of specialist staff.<br />
<br />
The top hourly rate of &#36;190 applies where a senior CASA officer or an officer with specialist experience and qualifications are involved.<br />
These now include services involving regular public transport, aerospace and aerodrome regulations, corporate jet and multi-­engine helicopters as well as flight simulators.<br />
<br />
CASA emphasises in its Cost Recovery Implementation Statement that it will not change its overall fee and expense profile.<br />
It says the new fees were made necessary by the introduction of part 61 as well as Part 64 authorisations for unlicensed personnel such as ground crew as well as parts 141 and 142 relating to pilot training.<br />
<br />
“There are no increases in any existing fees,’’ the proposal says. “CASA forecasts that the revised costs recovery arrangements will be revenue neutral.<br />
<br />
“Increases in revenue and expenditure from the new fee items are expected to be offset by a corresponding reduction in connection with existing fees.’’<br />
<br />
The authority’s audited financial statements show it lost &#36;4.2m in 2013-14, when expenses of &#36;184.9m outstripped revenue of &#36;180.7m.<br />
The loss was down from a &#36;12m surplus in 2012-13.<br />
<br />
Aviation regulatory services last financial year brought in &#36;14.6m. The government provided &#36;42.7m and the aviation fuel excise generated &#36;120.10m.<br />
<br />
The new fees are already raising the ire of those affected.<br />
<br />
<span style="font-size: small;" class="mycode_size"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b"><span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">"Aerial Agriculture Association of Australia chief executive Phil Hurst said there seemed to be a contradiction between CASA’s approach and government policy that new regulations should be cost neutral and red tape should be reduced." </span><span style="color: #ff3333;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: x-small;" class="mycode_size">{Couldn't have put it better myself Phil <img src="https://auntypru.com/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif" alt="Wink" title="Wink" class="smilie smilie_2" /> }</span></span><br />
</span></span><br />
Mr Hurst said the industry was also still waiting for Deputy Prime Minister Warren Truss to provide a letter of intent that gave effect to the findings of the Forsyth review on aviation safety regulation.<br />
<br />
“And then CASA, oblivious to all that, puts out a draft CRIS which says they’re going to raise by their accounting 90 new charges,’’ he said.<br />
The Australian Aviation Associations Forum, the peak body for aviation groups, last month urged Mr Truss as well as the new Civil Aviation Safety Authority board and the authority’s boss Mark Skidmore to pursue “a fundamental improvement in aviation in Australia”.<br />
<br />
<span style="font-size: small;" class="mycode_size"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b"><span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">"It called on Mr Truss’s letter of intent to direct CASA to follow a new path of co-operation that would cut outmoded regulation."  <span style="color: #ff3333;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: x-small;" class="mycode_size">I repeat - [i]"Dear Mr Truss..FFS stop with the procrastination &amp; just get on with it!"</span>  <img src="https://auntypru.com/forum/images/smilies/dodgy.gif" alt="Dodgy" title="Dodgy" class="smilie smilie_14" /></span></span>     [/i]</span></span></blockquote>
Hmmm....wonder what happened to the (89.9m) bucket <img src="https://auntypru.com/forum/images/smilies/huh.gif" alt="Huh" title="Huh" class="smilie smilie_17" /><br />
MTF..you bet! P2 <img src="https://auntypru.com/forum/images/smilies/tongue.gif" alt="Tongue" title="Tongue" class="smilie smilie_5" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b"><span style="text-decoration: underline;" class="mycode_u">The good</span></span><br />
In CASA's latest missive - <a href="http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_102447" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">March CASA Briefing</a> - where DAS Skidmore announced that he has initiated a full review of <a href="http://auntypru.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=17&amp;pid=249#pid249" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Avmed </a> he also linked to a recent speech he made to the <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Aviation Medical Society of Victoria. </span>In that speech he also touched on the Government's direction in regards to aviation safety generally &amp; more specifically to aeromedical issues:<br />
<br />
<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">Government’s Direction</span> <br />
<br />
<br />
<ul class="mycode_list"><li>As most of you are aware, the Government has set a clear agenda for CASA in 2015 and the years to follow through its response to the <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Aviation Safety Regulation Review (ASRR)</span>, which was released late in 2014. I am glad the Government’s response to the Review has coincided with the commencement of my tenure as the Director of Aviation Safety, as this provides a clear basis for planning, action and achievement.<br />
</li>
<li>Aviation medical concerns were amongst the more contentious issues raised in submissions to the ASRR and continue to be the subject of industry stakeholder comment. We are aware of a range of concerns raised by some members of the aviation community in the Report in relation to administration and decision making processes with respect to the issuing of aviation medical certificates.<br />
</li>
<li>In response to the ASRR, CASA has already identified a range of administrative measures to improve turnaround in the processing of certificates.<br />
</li>
<li>In relation to more contentious medical conditions, the Government has asked that CASA ensure its processes are as transparent as possible to the applicant, including the supporting reasons for its decisions to grant or not grant a medical certificate or place conditions on licences. It is acknowledged that different specialists can reach a different view on particularly complex cases but ultimately CASA has to make its decision based on aviation safety grounds.<br />
</li>
<li>Moreover the Government has asked that CASA undertake a review of its aviation medical Branch to establish whether a more effective and efficient system might be put in place without adversely impacting on safety.<br />
</li>
<li>Although the Aviation Medicine (AvMed) capability in CASA has achieved a range of significant improvements in performance and outcomes over the past three years, CASA recognises the need to improve its service delivery and to ensure that its decision-making processes are transparent and evidence-based.<br />
</li>
<li>As with other similar regulators, CASA is having difficulty in recruiting and retaining medical staff and a continued high level of CASA resources are tied up in aviation medical case reviews, complaints and appeals. These and other competing work pressures are contributing to a significant backlog of cases for medical review.<br />
</li>
<li>However, on a positive note let me tell you that CASA has already commenced a process to permit approved DAMEs to issue and renew Class 2 medical certificates. A post implementation review of this process will be conducted in the second half of 2015.<br />
</li>
<li>The results of the post implementation review will be considered and assessed to inform future consideration of a detailed examination of issues involved with the potential ability for DAME’s to renew medical certificates for classes 1 and 3 as identified in the ASRR’s recommendation.<br />
</li>
<li>Further, we have commenced a full review of our AvMed capability to ensure that the delivery of its functions are effective and efficient, and fully aligns with CASA’s obligations under the Civil Aviation Act, the expectations of Government and the needs of medical certificate applicants. The review will include looking at various options to improve service delivery and the options for obtaining timely expert advice on complex matters. The review will be completed by the second half of the year.<br />
</li>
<li>Let me provide a bit more detail on this review for your information. During this review, we will consider, amongst other things:<ul class="mycode_list"><li>ongoing issues experienced with the recruitment and retention of suitably qualified and experienced aviation medicine medical practitioners,<br />
</li>
<li>the strategic approach to aviation medicine policy standards and clinical practice development, and<br />
</li>
<li>options for how the organisation can optimally deliver aviation medicine services into the future. <br />
</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>The review is planning to engage with stakeholders (applicants, broader industry and other key stakeholders) in the coming months to collate feedback on the business improvements currently being made to AvMed. Active engagement in the review is encouraged to ensure that all contributions are captured in improving the delivery of this important function. <br />
</li>
</ul>
</blockquote>
 <br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b"><span style="text-decoration: underline;" class="mycode_u">The indifferent</span></span><br />
Sounds quite positive but again the proof will be in the pudding and industry needs to show a certain level of trust that Skidmore's intentions are truly honourable for any of it too work?? It also wouldn't hurt if the miniscule pulled his finger out and showed support for the DAS with a SOE that guaranteed that the Forsyth review will be actively acted on ASAP - P2 <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">"Dear Mr Truss..FFS stop with the procrastination &amp; just get on with it!"</span>  <img src="https://auntypru.com/forum/images/smilies/dodgy.gif" alt="Dodgy" title="Dodgy" class="smilie smilie_14" />     <br />
<br />
<span style="text-decoration: underline;" class="mycode_u"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">And the bad</span></span><br />
<br />
From the Oz:<br />
<br />
<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">CASA seeks to hike fees as &#36;25m loss looms</span>  <br />
<br />
<br />
<a href="http://www.theaustralian.com.au/author/Steve+Creedy" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Steve Creedy</a><br />
<a href="http://www.theaustralian.com.au/author/Steve+Creedy" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url"><img src="http://media.theaustralian.com.au/authors/images/steve_creedy.png" loading="lazy"  alt="[Image: steve_creedy.png]" class="mycode_img img-responsive" /></a><br />
Aviation Editor<br />
Sydney<br />
<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">AUSTRALIA’S air safety regulator is calling for comment on a raft of new fees it is proposing as revenues from aviation regulatory services fall more than &#36;25 million short of costs.  </span><br />
<br />
The Civil Aviation Safety Authority predicts the cost of ­activities for which it charges will be &#36;40.8m this financial year, resulting in a deficit of &#36;25.8m and predicts this will increase due to inflation to &#36;30m in 2018-19.<br />
<br />
While it is not planning to raise existing fees, which have traditionally produced cost recovery revenue from aviation regulatory services of below &#36;15m, it has proposed applying hourly rates to a raft of new areas.<br />
<br />
Many of these are associated with the controversial introduction of new Part 61 regulations on flight crew licensing that have ­angered aviation groups at the small end of town.<br />
<br />
They include new fees for testing, approvals, professional development and endorsements.<br />
CASA has not raised its four-tier hourly rates since 2007 and currently charges &#36;100, &#36;130, &#36;160 or &#36;190 per hour.<br />
Which rate applies to which area depends on the complexity involved, what administration is involved and whether it requires the skills of specialist staff.<br />
<br />
The top hourly rate of &#36;190 applies where a senior CASA officer or an officer with specialist experience and qualifications are involved.<br />
These now include services involving regular public transport, aerospace and aerodrome regulations, corporate jet and multi-­engine helicopters as well as flight simulators.<br />
<br />
CASA emphasises in its Cost Recovery Implementation Statement that it will not change its overall fee and expense profile.<br />
It says the new fees were made necessary by the introduction of part 61 as well as Part 64 authorisations for unlicensed personnel such as ground crew as well as parts 141 and 142 relating to pilot training.<br />
<br />
“There are no increases in any existing fees,’’ the proposal says. “CASA forecasts that the revised costs recovery arrangements will be revenue neutral.<br />
<br />
“Increases in revenue and expenditure from the new fee items are expected to be offset by a corresponding reduction in connection with existing fees.’’<br />
<br />
The authority’s audited financial statements show it lost &#36;4.2m in 2013-14, when expenses of &#36;184.9m outstripped revenue of &#36;180.7m.<br />
The loss was down from a &#36;12m surplus in 2012-13.<br />
<br />
Aviation regulatory services last financial year brought in &#36;14.6m. The government provided &#36;42.7m and the aviation fuel excise generated &#36;120.10m.<br />
<br />
The new fees are already raising the ire of those affected.<br />
<br />
<span style="font-size: small;" class="mycode_size"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b"><span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">"Aerial Agriculture Association of Australia chief executive Phil Hurst said there seemed to be a contradiction between CASA’s approach and government policy that new regulations should be cost neutral and red tape should be reduced." </span><span style="color: #ff3333;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: x-small;" class="mycode_size">{Couldn't have put it better myself Phil <img src="https://auntypru.com/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif" alt="Wink" title="Wink" class="smilie smilie_2" /> }</span></span><br />
</span></span><br />
Mr Hurst said the industry was also still waiting for Deputy Prime Minister Warren Truss to provide a letter of intent that gave effect to the findings of the Forsyth review on aviation safety regulation.<br />
<br />
“And then CASA, oblivious to all that, puts out a draft CRIS which says they’re going to raise by their accounting 90 new charges,’’ he said.<br />
The Australian Aviation Associations Forum, the peak body for aviation groups, last month urged Mr Truss as well as the new Civil Aviation Safety Authority board and the authority’s boss Mark Skidmore to pursue “a fundamental improvement in aviation in Australia”.<br />
<br />
<span style="font-size: small;" class="mycode_size"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b"><span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">"It called on Mr Truss’s letter of intent to direct CASA to follow a new path of co-operation that would cut outmoded regulation."  <span style="color: #ff3333;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: x-small;" class="mycode_size">I repeat - [i]"Dear Mr Truss..FFS stop with the procrastination &amp; just get on with it!"</span>  <img src="https://auntypru.com/forum/images/smilies/dodgy.gif" alt="Dodgy" title="Dodgy" class="smilie smilie_14" /></span></span>     [/i]</span></span></blockquote>
Hmmm....wonder what happened to the (89.9m) bucket <img src="https://auntypru.com/forum/images/smilies/huh.gif" alt="Huh" title="Huh" class="smilie smilie_17" /><br />
MTF..you bet! P2 <img src="https://auntypru.com/forum/images/smilies/tongue.gif" alt="Tongue" title="Tongue" class="smilie smilie_5" />]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[The tale of Karen Casey.]]></title>
			<link>https://auntypru.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=13</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2015 06:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Sitting alone in her garden this morning is a brave women beset by doubt, anxiety and anger facing what must be, for a mother, the most difficult of decisions.  Karen Casey physically injured through no fault of her own in the Pel-Air air accident, a ditching which could have been prevented, must now decide whether dragging her children through a court hearing process and exposing them to ruthless cross examination will achieve any improvement in the way victims of air accident are treated.  There is a lot more at stake here than a simple compensation claim, Karen's case exposes the entire sham of Australia's claim to be an aviation safety doyen of the developed world.<br />
<br />
 The dilemma is clearly defined, stand and expose herself and family to the tender mercies of insurance company barristers; or opt for a quiet life by accepting an out of court settlement.  Tough call for someone who has battled five years of extreme physical pain and exquisite mental anguish.  It is fitting that we look backward before looking ahead; what was the path which led Karen Casey to this moment, sitting alone in her garden, with only a mug of coffee and a faithful dog as her counsellors?<br />
<br />
@P11 - Slats has provided a very concise summary which details just one of the many issues which formed part of the accident chain.  Not immediately apparent to an outside observer is the speed with which the 'problems' were claimed to be fixed and the readiness of the Australian regulator (CASA) to accept that claim.   The Senate inquiry into the ditching of the aircraft clearly and unequivocally identified a cynical, politically motivated bastardisation of law, accident investigation and human decency.  Those who followed the Senate inquiry need no convincing of this, the proof is recorded in the parliament Hansard and freely available to all.  It is no coincidence that the unspeakable Pprune engineered a shut down of the Senate inquiry thread for the hearing of Karen's case would raise, once again, the loud voice of public criticism and we can't have that now, can we?<br />
<br />
Not one of the identified problem areas has even been addressed, let alone satisfactorily eliminated; the Pel-Air accident could occur again, from the same root causes.  The people who happily engaged in the shabby affair are healthy, employed, swaggering and bullying their merry through the manipulation of air safety systems, designed for the protection of those travelling and working in the skies.  Being paid, very well to continue making an art form and a mockery of using those rules and the investigations of accidents, as and when required, to suit their predetermined purpose. <br />
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The question for Karen; is the game worth the candle?  We must hope it is, for on those small shoulders rests a mighty weight.<br />
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Spare a thought for Karen and wish her Godspeed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Sitting alone in her garden this morning is a brave women beset by doubt, anxiety and anger facing what must be, for a mother, the most difficult of decisions.  Karen Casey physically injured through no fault of her own in the Pel-Air air accident, a ditching which could have been prevented, must now decide whether dragging her children through a court hearing process and exposing them to ruthless cross examination will achieve any improvement in the way victims of air accident are treated.  There is a lot more at stake here than a simple compensation claim, Karen's case exposes the entire sham of Australia's claim to be an aviation safety doyen of the developed world.<br />
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 The dilemma is clearly defined, stand and expose herself and family to the tender mercies of insurance company barristers; or opt for a quiet life by accepting an out of court settlement.  Tough call for someone who has battled five years of extreme physical pain and exquisite mental anguish.  It is fitting that we look backward before looking ahead; what was the path which led Karen Casey to this moment, sitting alone in her garden, with only a mug of coffee and a faithful dog as her counsellors?<br />
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@P11 - Slats has provided a very concise summary which details just one of the many issues which formed part of the accident chain.  Not immediately apparent to an outside observer is the speed with which the 'problems' were claimed to be fixed and the readiness of the Australian regulator (CASA) to accept that claim.   The Senate inquiry into the ditching of the aircraft clearly and unequivocally identified a cynical, politically motivated bastardisation of law, accident investigation and human decency.  Those who followed the Senate inquiry need no convincing of this, the proof is recorded in the parliament Hansard and freely available to all.  It is no coincidence that the unspeakable Pprune engineered a shut down of the Senate inquiry thread for the hearing of Karen's case would raise, once again, the loud voice of public criticism and we can't have that now, can we?<br />
<br />
Not one of the identified problem areas has even been addressed, let alone satisfactorily eliminated; the Pel-Air accident could occur again, from the same root causes.  The people who happily engaged in the shabby affair are healthy, employed, swaggering and bullying their merry through the manipulation of air safety systems, designed for the protection of those travelling and working in the skies.  Being paid, very well to continue making an art form and a mockery of using those rules and the investigations of accidents, as and when required, to suit their predetermined purpose. <br />
<br />
The question for Karen; is the game worth the candle?  We must hope it is, for on those small shoulders rests a mighty weight.<br />
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Spare a thought for Karen and wish her Godspeed.]]></content:encoded>
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